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To: Dr. Eckleburg
A man who is being led by the Holy Spirit will not

Again, not the question. The question, again, was if he is already saved will becoming a believing Catholic have any effect on salvation.

We preach the word of God to all men, confident that those who are His will hear the word and respond in faith.

You should be confident that if double predestination is true nothing you can say or do makes any difference - or is it "man that saves" now?

You're also missing about double predestination is that those who are not saved DO NOT WANT TO BE SAVED.

What your missing is their "wants" have nothing to do with it. Does Calvin's god choose who is doomed based on wants" Or does who he chooses to doom determine their wants? It's all God, right?

when you read the Bible you see predestination printed on every page.

Give a Calvin a bible and sola scriptura and that's what you get. Read it with Jesus message of God loves you and you will see something quite different.

You just repeatedly protest it's "unfair!"

Calvin's god is manifestly unfair. He engages in blood feud and condemns in the womb, creates those who are doomed to burn. Unjust, unfair, capricious, cruel, sinning and hateful.

Double predestination makes so much sense to some - if they hide their eyes from what they are saying about God.

Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?

Again, omniscience is not the question. The question is does man have some choice, can he repent? In Calvinism, God does everything, is responsible for every sin or rejection of sin - predetermined from the womb.

God does it all. And man either gets rewarded for it or burned for it.

4,482 posted on 09/13/2010 11:48:48 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
The question, again, was if he is already saved will becoming a believing Catholic have any effect on salvation.

And the answer, again, is that if a man has been saved he most likely will not find himself in a Roman Catholic church. Not for long. Not forever.

You should be confident that if double predestination is true nothing you can say or do makes any difference

We don't preach the Gospel to change the outcome. We preach the Gospel to facilitate God's outcome. Get the difference?

DR.E: Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?

D-fendr: Again, omniscience is not the question. The question is does man have some choice, can he repent?

Of course omniscience and omnipotence are the question. And if you continually refuse to answer the simple question I've asked, you should ask yourself why you can't answer it.

Further, can all men repent? Or can only those men who have been reborn by the Holy Spirit repent and believe to the saving of their souls?

Read the Bible.

And it really would help your understanding of both my position and yours if you could just give me a simple answer to a simple question...

Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?

4,488 posted on 09/14/2010 12:01:10 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: D-fendr
Calvin's god is manifestly unfair. He engages in blood feud and condemns in the womb, creates those who are doomed to burn. Unjust, unfair, capricious, cruel, sinning and hateful.

. . . with troubling implications for the commandment to "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect."

4,535 posted on 09/14/2010 3:10:33 AM PDT by maryz
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