If God has foreknown a person to reside with Him in heaven, that event will happen. If God has foreknown a man to reside in hell forever, that event will happen.
How much clearer does it need to be?
My choices had consequences, changed things
Nope. Those "changes" were clearly factored in by God who was aware of all those changes when He foresaw your eternal destination from the foundation of the world.
God isn't just winging this life. He's known everything that would happen from day one. While it feels like you're "changing things," those changes have already been known by God from the beginning.
Try again.
You are having a problem discerning the difference between knowing and causing all man's free will choices.
No, I'm not. I'm not talking about ordination. I'm speaking as an Arminian now. I'm simply talking about God's awareness of the future. And that awareness does not change as our awareness of it changes. God comprehended all "changes" at the moment of creation.
Therefore there is no "change" with God.
What does the fetus desire in the womb where he is doomed? What sin has the fetus committed to deserve to be born only for the fires of hell ?
All men are fallen. Read the Bible. The miracle is that God has taken some of these fallen creatures and forgiven their sins by sending Christ down to earth to suffer for their sins.
Can you really not see there is a difference between knowing and causing? I know the sun will rise tomorrow.
Nope. Those "changes" were clearly factored in by God who was aware of all those changes when He foresaw your eternal destination from the foundation of the world.
I factored in the rotation of the earth, the age of the sun... I didn't cause the sun to rise.
He's known everything that would happen from day one.
Yes, that's omniscience.
While it feels like you're "changing things,"
This is where free will is an illusion to Calvinist. Do you realize you're being fooled by God every minute of the day according to Calvin?
those changes have already been known by God from the beginning.
Yes, but he didn't make my choices. If he did, then he's responsible for my sins, not me.
'm simply talking about God's awareness of the future. And that awareness does not change as our awareness of it changes. God comprehended all "changes" at the moment of creation.
Of course. Awareness of our choices is not the same as making our choices. It's very simple.
The miracle is that God has taken some of these fallen creatures and forgiven their sins by sending Christ down to earth to suffer for their sins.
Limited atonement. Another justification for the cruelty of double predestination.
All men are fallen.
Yet some are doomed, some are saved. By a capricious and cruel god of Calvin.
How much clearer does it need to be?
It's perfectly clear. What is being said is that man has no free will. Every thing is carved in stone making this thread and any attempts to convert others absolutely useless.