SCOTUS strikes down Texas sodomy ban

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[Thane_Banquo]

SCOTUS sided with the perverts.

[MineralMan]

"It's called Deviate Sexual Intercourse in the legislatures that define it dude."

Some call it that. Some call it the "infamous crime against nature." It's had lots of definitions. You're just talking about one of them. I see you have not bothered to read the statutes of the states that prohibit it. Try it...it's worth a laugh or two.

[jmc813]

Sex is not sodomy, sex is the possibility of procreation and all though sodomy between heterosexuals may not be procreation, sexual acts what ever they may be between heterosexuals can and does lead to procreation.

What about masturbation? Forgive me if I'm playing devil's advocate a bit, I'm doing so to get a better understanding of where people's opinions come from.

[The Green Goblin]

If you assert the right to homosexual sex, I can and will assert the right not to be around people who engage in homosexual sex. I assert it to the point that I do not wish to be in the same society as people who practice it.

You're in for a lifetime of disappointment unless you happen to move yourself into a hermitage in the steppes of outer Mongolia...

[george wythe]

For the same reasons we codify marriage as compelling state’s interest to preserve the traditional family unit, there is no reason to regulate such behavior for heterosexuals.

What you wrote seems to go against American traditions and American common law.

Heterosexual sodomy was illegal until 1960 in all states, and only recently have state courts and state legislature begun to desmantle anti-sodomy laws applying to heterosexuals.

What was the compelling state interest to regulate heterosexual sodomy until 1960?

[El Gato]

Due process means people have a right to the privacy of their bedrooms

That's not what due process means at all. It means there must be a pre-defined process for determining guilt or innocence where the accussed has the right to confront his/her accussers and present her/his side of the case. It says nothing about what may or may not be criminalised. Basically it says that justice cannot be arbitrary.

I actually think they used the "priveleges and immunites" portion of the 14 amendment to apply the 4th amendment to the states. I don't know as that is a proper reading of the 4th amendment though, since the 4th only protects "privacy" against unreasonable searches and siezures", not in general.

Now if they will just use the same 14th amendment provision to apply the second amendment, which is pretty absolute, to the state governments. But I won't be holding my breath waiting for them to do so.

[MineralMan]

"What was the compelling state interest to regulate heterosexual sodomy until 1960?
"

A serious case of blue-noses? That would be my guess.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Consensual pedophilia, bestiality (personal property) and consensual incest the Liberaltarians are hypocrites on the 10th.

[fooman]

That not my point, really. Beastality is a sexual orientation. Whether jo jo consents or not or whether consent is even relavent is debatable.

jo jo could be my property or deemed to consent. And since we are talking about a crime you may even have to prove that jo jo didn't consent. Besides, jo jo likes banannas!

The point is incest and beastiality are sexual orientations and should not be discriminated against.


It sounds silly, but the debate would shape up quickly like the gay purists vs the BIs of the 80s. Of course, in our slide to an amoral society the most permissive position always wins.

[Clint N. Suhks]

I see you have not bothered to read the statutes of the states that prohibit it. Try it...it's worth a laugh or two.

I have read Alabama's what do you want to know?

[george wythe]

She wanted to let Bowers stand and strike the Texas law on equal protection grounds.

Thanks Sandy for the clarification.

Do you happen to know where I can find O'Connors' opinion on the web?

I would like to read her complete legal reasoning.

[Clint N. Suhks]

What about masturbation? Forgive me if I'm playing devil's advocate a bit, I'm doing so to get a better understanding of where people's opinions come from.

In what context? I don't want it regualted do you?

[zoyd]

Consensual pedophilia

You use a phrase like this and expect people to take you seriously?

[sinkspur]

consensual pedophilia

No matter what phoney arguments you make, there is no such thing as "consensual pedophilia."

[leilani]

I'm with Clarence Thomas on this one: this is a truly ridiculous law (rarely enforced except for one time in the last thirty years, evidently, but the guys who brought the suit had cause), but IT AIN'T THE FEDS' DAMN FRIGGIN' BUSINESS!!! (And gee, do TRUE liberals really WANT the fedguv into every single infraction, misdameanor and felony? HMMMM? The long term consequences of that are not pretty for liberals OR conservatives , even if you think that guys should have a right to be with guys.Once upon a time, the constitution let states determine this junk. Those of us who've read the constitution thought that was how Jefferson & Co. intended it to be. Oh well.Guess Sandy O'C & Co. couldn't be bothered to lift their saggy eyelids long enough to seperate FEDERAL issues from state and local ones.

[Clint N. Suhks]

What was the compelling state interest to regulate heterosexual sodomy until 1960?

I don't know why, maybe for cultural reasons and the slippery slope that homosexuals might want to compare themselves to heterosexuals? Opps that already happened. Can you cite any legislature before 1960 that defined sodomy as "heterosexual" as the distinguishing context.

[justshe]

Yes....knew that....and thanks. Had a total brain fart and an 'itchy' enter finger.

[Clint N. Suhks]

No matter what phoney arguments you make, there is no such thing as "consensual pedophilia."

That's right, you Liberaltarians hang on to that 10th amendment when it suits you, doncha?

[Clint N. Suhks]

You use a phrase like this and expect people to take you seriously?

Prove me wrong.

[tdadams]

if that taboo is broken, then heterosexuals will start engaging in non-marital, non-monogamous sex, and cause all kinds of other problems such as adulterous relationships, children born out of wedlock and so on.

What century are you living in? Are you telling me this isn't already the state we're in?

How many single people age 30 do you know who are still virgins? Dang, non-marital sex. How many people under age 50 do you know who've had no more than one sex partner? Dang, non-monogamous.

You don't read the papers much do you?

[sinkspur]

That's right, you Liberaltarians hang on to that 10th amendment when it suits you, doncha?

I'm not libertarian.

Pedophilia is, by definition, unwanted.