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Scientists Back Off of Ardi Claims (Evos give climate-hoaxers a run for their money...LOL!)
ICR News ^ | December 4, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 12/04/2009 8:07:39 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

In May 2009, a remarkably well-preserved extinct primate, nicknamed “Ida,” was hailed as one of the most important fossil finds ever. It had features that some interpreted as a link between two primate body forms. At the time, ICR News suggested that its evolutionary significance was far overblown, predicting that the scientific consensus would offer retractions. Those retractions came three months later, confirming that the fossil―called Darwinius―was really just an extinct lemur variety...

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To: pby

Yes. He even wrote his own bible honoring Jesus.


281 posted on 12/04/2009 11:04:31 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: editor-surveyor
Humphreys is one of the world's foremost physicists, and supervises several sections at Sandia National Laboratory.

False. He works for ICR.

282 posted on 12/04/2009 11:05:19 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: ColdWater
You are mixing up “Christian” with organized “Christianity”.

Nope.

When Jefferson declared himself a materialist and not a believer of all of the doctrines of Jesus, he declared that he was not a Christian.

There is no mix up, here. It is simply a documented historical fact (albeit a sad one).

283 posted on 12/04/2009 11:08:13 AM PST by pby
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To: tacticalogic
Will the failure of scientists to have discovered those species to date be held to the same standard of evidence as their failure to discover "transitional fossils"?

Logical fallacy!

Since they have failed to find even a single transitional on land, this doesn't even wisper to the question of standards of evidence.

284 posted on 12/04/2009 11:09:00 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: pby
When Jefferson declared himself a materialist and not a believer of all of the doctrines of Jesus, he declared that he was not a Christian.

Which doctrines of Jesus did he NOT believe in?

285 posted on 12/04/2009 11:09:38 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: ColdWater

Probably many of the same ones you do not.


286 posted on 12/04/2009 11:10:41 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: calex59
If you are going to fight against creationists you need to come up with a more plausible argument than that this is a "single" incident of mistaken identity.

Is that what I said?

Look, I am not a Christian,

You're not very good at reading comprehension either.

287 posted on 12/04/2009 11:11:04 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: ColdWater

Being incomplete is not error.

What if an entire book is left out, is that error?


288 posted on 12/04/2009 11:11:22 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Amazing, isn't it? But there are others waiting in the wings to take Ardi’s place. Maybe something like Kenyanthropus, consisting of parts of a skull.

Eve was constructed from Adam's rib but the Darwinist's claim to be able to create a whole zoo of swinging, limping, knuckle dragging critters from even less. Of course it does take lots of glue and grinding.

I'd follow this tread a bit more but when the usual ignorati show up I feel like I'm watching a garbage truck spill its load.

Cheers!

289 posted on 12/04/2009 11:13:12 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: YHAOS

“Are you saying that most of the evos, who partake of GGG’s threads, are Trolls?”

...now that you mention it.


290 posted on 12/04/2009 11:13:29 AM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - I have a theory about how Darwin evolved... more soon.)
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To: RoadGumby
Probably many of the same ones you do not.

So you don't know. Then keep your thoughts to yourself so as to not remove all doubt that you know what you are talking about.

291 posted on 12/04/2009 11:13:34 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: ColdWater

If he does anything for ICR, its on the side.


292 posted on 12/04/2009 11:13:39 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: metmom

I agree that there should be reasonable restraint at the initial discoveries. It would be better to hold applause til after tests/more information/peer review etc.
But the important issue is that there is a process in place that can consistently objectively evaluate claims and hold them true/false based on established rules of evidence.

“creationists were right in initially stating that it wouldn’t turn out to be a missing link.” really? and based on what testable evidence did they proclaim that this wasn’t the missing link? com’on you’re better than that-evolution is a priori incorrect in many creationist world view. So any finding that supports it will be initially (and in the face of overwhelming evidence,IMHO)and continually called false.

happens in findings supporting religious finds as well-remember the ‘lost ark’ discoveries?


293 posted on 12/04/2009 11:15:13 AM PST by TooFarGone (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: editor-surveyor

FYI, Dr. Humphreys recently left ICR for CMI.


294 posted on 12/04/2009 11:15:33 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I was simply literally interpreting the text of the quote. Something you should be familiar with.


295 posted on 12/04/2009 11:15:45 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: ColdWater

Based on the post above, a quote I believe from a Jefferson letter, he did not delineate, either, so quit the silliness.


296 posted on 12/04/2009 11:15:57 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: editor-surveyor
If he does anything for ICR, its on the side.

From 2001-2008 he was an associate professor at The Institute for Creation Research.[1] He currently works for Creation Ministries International (USA).[1] Humphreys is a board member of both the Creation Research Society and the Creation Science Fellowship of New Mexico.[2][3]

297 posted on 12/04/2009 11:16:39 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: metmom

You blow in some 200 posts later like a fart in a whirlwind?

bwahahahaha...


298 posted on 12/04/2009 11:16:50 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: editor-surveyor

Right. They can’t find “transitional fossils” to your liking so that disproves their their. They can’t find all those supposedly extict pre-historic animals living “under the bottom of the ocean”, but that’s irrelevant to your theory.


299 posted on 12/04/2009 11:17:28 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: RoadGumby
Based on the post above, a quote I believed from a Jefferson letter, he did not delineate, either, so quit the silliness.

Oh, he did. He totally believe in the Doctrines of Jesus.

300 posted on 12/04/2009 11:18:21 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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