Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; Probably Not!
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the Obama Born Overseas stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didnt! Everyone assumed the other guy did it.
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue standing. They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they dont. They keep telling the courts, please dont hear this case. No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
Thats so overreaching, its like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say . Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldnt you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers .. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldnt someone have been yelling their credit for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
Now, now ,now. Just because you are deep into your PMS, please be nice to the rest of us....
Kissy, kissy; makie nicey face?
No one likes Mr./Miz. Crankypants.
Well BS! the hell they don't. They all have at the very least a microfilm copy of them.
Money dreamers think that they can dream up most anything, don't they!
The rest of you? do you still have that frog in your pocket?
As for the kiss, you’re going to need a shower before you’re presentable, if and when you withdraw that thing.
He provided something that purports to be a Certification of Live Birth which has been proven to be fraudulent. And if you have read all 160 pp of the document and disagree with the conclusion, let’s have your reasons why you disagree with it. Until you post your reasoning, your point is worthless.
"You are referring to a "Certification of Live Birth" which is a computer generated document that when notarized and embossed with an official seal, serves as a legally acceptable SUBSTITUTE for a Birth Certicate in most, but not all, instances. You can request any number of COLB's, and they are all valid as far as they go, but you only have ONE Original, Long Form, Birth Certificate which states the actual location of your birth and the name and signature of the attending physician."
None of which contradicts what I said. BTW, nobody has produced an instance where a COLB is not valid. And the name of the hospital or doctor is not necessary to prove eligibility.
"The "Birth" location on the COLB reflects where the birth was registered, which is, in normal circumstances, the same place that the birth occurred."
You have no basis for saying that. Place of birth means place of birth.
"However, since Hawaii allowed the registration of foreign born babies in 1961, a COLB would not show the actual birth location, but the registration location."
Again, you have no basis for this. The laws that have been cited either didn't exist in 1961, or don't apply to the circumstances of this case. And even if they did, there is no reason to think place of birth means something other than place of birth.
They have all been officially shut up by the Kenyan gov for quite some time. You aren’t keeping up to speed, girl.
That's a little disingenuous, a poorly worded line on Standard Form design isn't necessarily "a lie". If I'm asked to fill in a form that asks where I was born and it has a line for "city" then I put in my place of birth, but it wasn't a "city" it was a town, does that make either me, or the form designer, a liar?
Obama's Aunt claims she was a witness to the birth in Mombassa - So I make the same statement, There is absolutely no reason to assume that the she would lie about it.
And she is the ONLY (claimed) witness to the birth, and no one has disproved her claim.
If you know different, kindly tell us all which hospital he was born in and we can all stop this argument..
He provided nothing at all! - Some of his close friends at Annanberg tried to run a fake for him, is that what you mean?
It was posted numerous times on FR. You’re not up to speed either.
Your sorry lying butt has been zotted, zach, and Ursula is dancing on yer smoking corpse!
Actually I beleive it was his Kenyan grandmother, but perhaps some other relatives as well, so perhaps you are correct as well. Of course, they’ve all been prohibited from talking to anyone about it now, by the Kenyan gov.
My sentiments exactly.
Follow the money. It will lead to his birthplace.
False. Illegal aliens are subject to our laws just like anyone else. To say otherwise is silly.
What "under the jurisdiction" excludes is clear:
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born."
"An alien that has not surrendered to US jurisdiction is not under US jurisdiction."
It is not up to an alien to choose whether he is subject to US laws.
"You liberals have strange ideas, and they never fit the law."
Sorry, I'm not a liberal, and the strangness here isn't coming from me.
Now ask yourself, why is there a hospital in Kenya being declared a historic place for Obama?
How about here:
Obama described his birth at Queen's Medical Center in Hawaii Aug. 4, 1961, to a young white woman from Kansas and a father of Luo ethnicity from Nyanza Province in Kenya, as an "all-America" story transcending orthodox racial stereotypes and experience. Even his name -- Barack means "one who is blessed" in Swahili -- seemed to signal great things for Obama.
Sen. Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, UPI, November 4, 2008. Retrieved on February 6, 2009
OK now, which "evidence" about Obama's birthplace is the true Obama birthplace evidence??
So, in other words, there is no evidence that he’s spent huge sums of money defending these cases?
I have no horse in this race, I'm mainly just reading and think nothing will come of the controversy.
However, WND seems to think Dr. Polarik is authentic. Link.
Have you emailed Joseph Farah to find out if Dr. Polarik was vetted before his article was published? If not, your comment above is uninformed opinion not fact and has ZERO credibility. Besides that such a statement makes the rest of your repeated assertions suspect.
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