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Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'
Source? Sherlock Holmes | MB26

Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26

Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”

Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?

Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”

Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.

Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.

If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.

But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.

That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”

But there is a second, and perhaps new point!

Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?

Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?

Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?

What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!

What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!

Anybody ?!?!?!

Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!

Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?

Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.

Is this the same situation?


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To: editor-surveyor

Now, now ,now. Just because you are deep into your PMS, please be nice to the rest of us....

Kissy, kissy; makie nicey face?

No one likes Mr./Miz. Crankypants.


421 posted on 02/06/2009 2:57:50 PM PST by MindBender26 (Does Obama want to end the USA as we know it? What indication has he given that he doesn't!?!)
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To: curiosity; Wil H
"Well, duh. Hospitals don't keep records for 48 years"

Well BS! the hell they don't. They all have at the very least a microfilm copy of them.

Money dreamers think that they can dream up most anything, don't they!

422 posted on 02/06/2009 2:59:01 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: little jeremiah
See post #359.

I saw it.

About late registration. According to the link, the baby was supposed to be born in HI but not registered until later, but who the heck would know.

For the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, the person in question had to be one year old or older. Also, Obama didn't provide a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. He provided a Certification of Live Birth which is a certified copy of his Certificate of Live Birth. A Certificate of Hawaiian Birth and a Certificate of Live Birth are not one and the same.


423 posted on 02/06/2009 2:59:50 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: MindBender26

The rest of you? do you still have that frog in your pocket?

As for the kiss, you’re going to need a shower before you’re presentable, if and when you withdraw that thing.


424 posted on 02/06/2009 3:01:47 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Michael Michael

He provided something that purports to be a Certification of Live Birth which has been proven to be fraudulent. And if you have read all 160 pp of the document and disagree with the conclusion, let’s have your reasons why you disagree with it. Until you post your reasoning, your point is worthless.


425 posted on 02/06/2009 3:02:54 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Wil H
"No, the document I refer to is a legal birth certificate. It is the document Hawaii sends when you request your birth certificate. It does contain the information necessary to prove his natural born status, because it contains the place of birth."

"You are referring to a "Certification of Live Birth" which is a computer generated document that when notarized and embossed with an official seal, serves as a legally acceptable SUBSTITUTE for a Birth Certicate in most, but not all, instances. You can request any number of COLB's, and they are all valid as far as they go, but you only have ONE Original, Long Form, Birth Certificate which states the actual location of your birth and the name and signature of the attending physician."

None of which contradicts what I said. BTW, nobody has produced an instance where a COLB is not valid. And the name of the hospital or doctor is not necessary to prove eligibility.

"The "Birth" location on the COLB reflects where the birth was registered, which is, in normal circumstances, the same place that the birth occurred."

You have no basis for saying that. Place of birth means place of birth.

"However, since Hawaii allowed the registration of foreign born babies in 1961, a COLB would not show the actual birth location, but the registration location."

Again, you have no basis for this. The laws that have been cited either didn't exist in 1961, or don't apply to the circumstances of this case. And even if they did, there is no reason to think place of birth means something other than place of birth.

426 posted on 02/06/2009 3:03:35 PM PST by mlo
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To: Crystal Cove

They have all been officially shut up by the Kenyan gov for quite some time. You aren’t keeping up to speed, girl.


427 posted on 02/06/2009 3:03:51 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: mlo
The COLB clearly says place of birth. There is absolutely no reason to assume that the state of Hawaii would lie about it.

That's a little disingenuous, a poorly worded line on Standard Form design isn't necessarily "a lie". If I'm asked to fill in a form that asks where I was born and it has a line for "city" then I put in my place of birth, but it wasn't a "city" it was a town, does that make either me, or the form designer, a liar?

Obama's Aunt claims she was a witness to the birth in Mombassa - So I make the same statement, There is absolutely no reason to assume that the she would lie about it.

And she is the ONLY (claimed) witness to the birth, and no one has disproved her claim.

If you know different, kindly tell us all which hospital he was born in and we can all stop this argument..

428 posted on 02/06/2009 3:04:00 PM PST by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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To: curiosity
FYI, he has, just like Obama did. McCain gave a copy of his long form to the media...

And what did the media do with that copy of it? Was it ever published? I've never seen it.


429 posted on 02/06/2009 3:04:34 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: Michael Michael; little jeremiah
"Obama didn't provide a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. He provided a Certification of Live Birth"

He provided nothing at all! - Some of his close friends at Annanberg tried to run a fake for him, is that what you mean?

430 posted on 02/06/2009 3:05:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Michael Michael

It was posted numerous times on FR. You’re not up to speed either.


431 posted on 02/06/2009 3:05:25 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: zacharyroyce; Old Sarge
"it would be scrutinized in the courts, not to mention by the mainstream media."

Your sorry lying butt has been zotted, zach, and Ursula is dancing on yer smoking corpse! Photobucket

432 posted on 02/06/2009 3:05:45 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: Wil H

Actually I beleive it was his Kenyan grandmother, but perhaps some other relatives as well, so perhaps you are correct as well. Of course, they’ve all been prohibited from talking to anyone about it now, by the Kenyan gov.


433 posted on 02/06/2009 3:06:30 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: dynachrome
Ursula the Viking Kitten watches you from the dance floor:


434 posted on 02/06/2009 3:07:07 PM PST by Old Sarge (Obama Dozed, People Froze)
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To: MindBender26

My sentiments exactly.
Follow the money. It will lead to his birthplace.


435 posted on 02/06/2009 3:07:30 PM PST by Monkey Face (Corduroy pillows: They're making headlines!)
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To: editor-surveyor
"No, by international law established by treaty, illegal aliens are under the jurisdiction of their native country."

False. Illegal aliens are subject to our laws just like anyone else. To say otherwise is silly.

What "under the jurisdiction" excludes is clear:

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born."

"An alien that has not surrendered to US jurisdiction is not under US jurisdiction."

It is not up to an alien to choose whether he is subject to US laws.

"You liberals have strange ideas, and they never fit the law."

Sorry, I'm not a liberal, and the strangness here isn't coming from me.

436 posted on 02/06/2009 3:10:34 PM PST by mlo
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To: curiosity

Now ask yourself, why is there a hospital in Kenya being declared a historic place for Obama?


437 posted on 02/06/2009 3:11:11 PM PST by Darksheare (Hi, I'm D-sheare, and I am proud to inform you of your Impending Typos!)
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To: curiosity
As far as I can tell, Obama has consistently said Kapiolani was his birthplace. If you have evidence to the contrary, please do provide it.

How about here:

Obama described his birth at Queen's Medical Center in Hawaii Aug. 4, 1961, to a young white woman from Kansas and a father of Luo ethnicity from Nyanza Province in Kenya, as an "all-America" story transcending orthodox racial stereotypes and experience. Even his name -- Barack means "one who is blessed" in Swahili -- seemed to signal great things for Obama.

Sen. Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois, UPI, November 4, 2008. Retrieved on February 6, 2009

OK now, which "evidence" about Obama's birthplace is the true Obama birthplace evidence??

438 posted on 02/06/2009 3:11:51 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Yooper4Life

So, in other words, there is no evidence that he’s spent huge sums of money defending these cases?


439 posted on 02/06/2009 3:11:59 PM PST by Crystal Cove
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To: mlo
No. Some guy on the internet says it is forged. That analysis is amateurish nonsense which has not been validated by any real expert.

I have no horse in this race, I'm mainly just reading and think nothing will come of the controversy.

However, WND seems to think Dr. Polarik is authentic. Link.

Have you emailed Joseph Farah to find out if Dr. Polarik was vetted before his article was published? If not, your comment above is uninformed opinion not fact and has ZERO credibility. Besides that such a statement makes the rest of your repeated assertions suspect.

440 posted on 02/06/2009 3:15:17 PM PST by 22cal (Forgiven, not perfected)
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