Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
Hmmm ... I am going to have to re-read that comment in the morning after taking vitamins and the first cup of coffee.
No, the document I refer to is a legal birth certificate. It is the document Hawaii sends when you request your birth certificate. It does contain the information necessary to prove his natural born status, because it contains the place of birth.
Look up the BLACKSTONE. What year version of Black’s did you use?
I am bringing facts to this discussion. That you don't like these facts doesn't mean they don't exist.
There is some debate that, in the case of a foreign born child registered in Hawaii, the COLB shows the place of registration as the the place of birth. Normally that would be the same place, but not necessarily. If that is true, the COLB is still not definitive in establishing him as a natural born citizen.
Here's the deal, - I'll tell you in exactly what hospital, and where, John McCain was born, and you tell us in exactly what hospital, and where, 0bama was born.
Sounds reasonable, doesn't it?
But I bet you can't do it...
110 baud.
Pardon me ZotBait, but if it were no big deal then Zero would cough up the BC that's in Hawaii instead of fighting it hammer & tong in multiple lawsuits. Until he coughs up his dirtly little secret, I say he's constitutionally ineligible and a fraud.
Thank you CE - that info is immediately going on a doc on my desktop and I won’t bother you again about it.
I’ll probably bother you about other stuff, though. ;-)
The chair is against the wall...
The chair is against the wall...
It very clearly says "place of BIRTH" on the document. I do not see how it could be clearer.
It is the same, as previous cites have shown.
"As per (a) a person born in the US is not a citizen unless under the jurisdiction of the US, so no resident visa, no citizen. Children of diplomats, and illegals that have not signed the acceptance clause in the application for a resident visa are not citizens, capiche????"
Wrong. An illegal alien is still under the jurisdiction. A diplomat is not.
This is an vague description of a law that existed from 1911 to 1972 -- except for the fact that it applied to those one year old or older.
Has anyone, of all those filing lawsuits, made the slightest effort to come up with a citation of the actual law, or its wording? And, if it applied to those "one year old or older," how does it apply to the Obama birth announcement in the Hawaii papers in 1961?
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You are referring to a "Certification of Live Birth" which is a computer generated document that when notarized and embossed with an official seal, serves as a legally acceptable SUBSTITUTE for a Birth Certicate in most, but not all, instances. You can request any number of COLB's, and they are all valid as far as they go, but you only have ONE Original, Long Form, Birth Certificate which states the actual location of your birth and the name and signature of the attending physician.
The "Birth" location on the COLB reflects where the birth was registered, which is, in normal circumstances, the same place that the birth occurred.
However, since Hawaii allowed the registration of foreign born babies in 1961, a COLB would not show the actual birth location, but the registration location.
This argument has been raging for over six months and STILL nobody can tell us what hospital 0bama was born in. There are no records come to light in any of the hospitals in Hawaii, including the two different ones (Queens Medical Center and Kapi'olani Hospital) claimed to have been his birth place. There has been NO document of any kind produced stating his actual birth location.
If the President had been born in YOUR hospital, don't you think you would want to leverage that and at least make some acknowledgement of the fact? Yet neither hospital makes any such claim.
This is the President on the USA we are talking about and no-one can tell us where he was born or the name of the attending physician, or provide any witnesses to his birth whatsoever!
The only known document that could shed any light on this is being concealed by 0bama himself.
Doesn't that give you just a little bit of curiosity?
No, by international law established by treaty, illegal aliens are under the jurisdiction of their native country.
That is the basis of the suits filed by the Mexican Government against President Bush Re: Mexican nationals tried in US courts in Texas.
An alien that has not surrendered to US jurisdiction is not under US jurisdiction.
You liberals have strange ideas, and they never fit the law.
lol the ZOT is still smoking LOL
Your statement is simply false.
Why, oh why, do birthers so love to make stuff up?
Clearer? Sure it could be clearer!
Why don't you tell us which hospital he was born in and the name of any witnesses and the name of the attending physician?
I'm waiting.......
Somewhere in Honolulu, according to you, there is a hospital that can make the very prestigious claim to be the birthplace of the President of the United States.
Just which hospital is making that claim? And if none are, why not?
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