Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'

Source? Sherlock Holmes | MB26

[MindBender26]

Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”

Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?

Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”

Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.

Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.

If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.

But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.

That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”

But there is a second, and perhaps new point!

Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?

Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?

Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?

What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!

What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!

Anybody ?!?!?!

Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!

Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?

Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.

Is this the same situation?

[Thumper1960]

0bama is really the result of a drunken night of debauchery between a Honolulu tramp and a group of African merchant sailors. His reed basket was left on the beach at Pearl Harbor.

[BrerLion]

Look for the ox, sheep or creche for possible clues

I had a disturbing dream. It was like a demented nativity scene. And each of the attending animals had big ears and stuttered.

[machogirl]

then it was found out that the doctor retired from “the practice of medicine” in 1955.

[Yooper4Life]

I disagree. Most people (at least responsible people - maybe that assumes too much of an attorney/POTUS) keep important docs like these in “safe” places, such as a safe, safety deposit box, file, particular desk drawer, or whatever. Much easier to go to wherever the one he found is than to go to Hawaii and obtain it. Now, he may have had someone else get the new copy for him if that is allowed, but that still seems like more work than pulling the one he says he found from the usual drawer or file or whatever. Sure, it is possible that he “lost” it, but remember that he specifically states in his book that he found it (a significant event for him; this book was about his life, father, identity, so it should mean something to him over and above a piece of scrap paper or even a birth cert of one from a “nuclear” family) and tucked it away. I can get to my 1960’s original birth certificate in 30 seconds and I have no “dreams of my father” or identity issues.

[HawaiianGecko]

"if ANYONE there was connected to his birth it would be known."  What evidence or research do you base this upon?   "Hawaii has always been a big lib state"  Well, it's always been a big Democrat state, but liberal like California, Washington or New York... no, not really. 
"If there was irrefutable evidence to show he was born in Hawaii the press would ask the question just to “clear the decks” .. but they never will...."  You say this like it's Newton's Fourth Law of Physics.  You don't know that statement to be true.

[Salamander]

The doctor who delivered me looks EXACTLY like Bela Lugosi playing Dracula.

No kidding.

He’s still alive so I reckon I can say he’s “undead”....:)

[El Gato]

There was a notice published in a Hawaiian newspaper of his birth, but it could have been placed there using information on the certificate of live birth rather than the birth certificate.

The certificate of live birth *is* the birth certificate (Long form). The certification of live birth is also a birth certificate, aka the "Short form" or more descriptively, the "abstract form".

However, the announce would have been triggered by the filing of the original birth certificate, which does not necessarily have to be signed by a doctor and/or hospital registrar. They can be filed by the parent, or grandparent, with the mother's signature, and that of a "witness". That could have been Grandma Toot, and they could have filed it upon a return from Canda or Kenya, adjusting the birth date a bit to comport with the filing date. The purpose, to make little BHO Jr, a *citizen* of the United States, an important thing, even to leftists, in 1961, also the birth announcement would lend some "honor" to his mother, since he father apparently wasn't really enthused about marrying her and wasn't really in baby Barack's life, even before he left Hawaii for Boston and Harvard. Plus there is evidence, placing BHO and his mother in the Seattle area during his first year and then some, which brings it pretty much up to the point where BHO bugged out for Boston.

[CedarDave]

There was a notice published in a Hawaiian newspaper of his birth, but it could have been placed there using information on the certificate of live birth rather than the birth certificate. A photo of the notice has been circulated around FR and other websites.

http://axinar.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-birth-notice-from-honolulu-sunday.html

[Yooper4Life]

I suppose I should say “aspiring attorney/POTUS” or “attorney/POTUS-type”, meaning he is not shlep who lived in disorganized squalor.

[Salamander]

And most of them are dead.

[HawaiianGecko]

"In 1961 a foreign born child of a Hawaii resident could be registered in Hawaii"   You are correct in your assertion, but it is in no way proof of a non-natural born citizen.

The newspaper announcement is merely a result of his birth being registered in Hawaii (all registrations were reported in the paper) and shed no further light on his eligibility, it merely confirms his birth was registered, but, as already stated, that didn't validate his eligibility.  You are correct in your assertion, but it is in no way proof of a non-natural born citizen.

In 1961 a foreign born child of a Hawaii resident could be registered in Hawaii - Therefore they would have a valid Hawaiian Birth Certificate but NOT necessarily be a "natural born citizen", and in 0bama's case he would not be given his mother's age and father's nationality. You are correct in your assertion, but it is in no way proof of a non-natural born citizen.

He could have been born on the Dark Side of the Moon during the Apollo moon shot, but my assertion is in no way proof that it happened, only possible.

So your "Evidence" is meaningless.

[El Gato]

The law deems such persons born abroad as being naturally born in the USA.

You can of course point out this law? (Hint: there is none. No statute law defines "natural born citizen". Citizen, sure, but not natural born citizen.

It's quite possible that even based on the known facts, that his father was a Subject of the British Crown at the time of his birth, that he is not a natural born US citizen, regardless of where he was born. He would be a citizen, under both the law and the 14th amendment, but possibly not a natural born citizen. There 's just no statute or (US) case law on the matter, because the only time the difference matters is in eligibility to the Office of President. There's only been one other case where it seems, well after the fact that the President was not born to US citizen parents. And in that case, Chester Arthur, his father did become naturalized well before he became President (by succession, not election, he had been VP when the President died). But he hid that fact when he ran for VP and after he became President. BHO's father, and stepfather for that matter, never were, nor never became US Citizens.

[CedarDave]

Significant correction as pointed out by El Gato:

There was a notice published in a Hawaiian newspaper of his birth, but it could have been placed there using information on the certificate certification of live birth rather than the birth certificate.

[Salamander]

I live in a rural area.

He was my mom’s doctor before I was unleashed upon the world.

[El Gato]

just a poorly altered certificate of live birth

a Certification of Live Birth. The certificate of LB is the long form birth certificate. The certification is the short form, aka the abstract form.

[BIGLOOK]

Didn’t see you in the comments, JJ. Take a look at this wakeup to reality.

[Salamander]

What's the emoticon for simultaneously cringing and laughing?

[HawaiianGecko]

"When did you do this?"   Hell, I've bought people off many times in my career.  Or are you saying that Kenyan's have a particular aversion to money?

[Salamander]

If he’d delivered the country’s first black president, he’d be primarily surprised by the pigment change and secondarily bragging his @ss off about it.

[shibumi]

I'm not sure what to call it, but that was the effect I was going for.