Take A Stand: Vote against H1B, Boycott H1B Companies

Self | November 2, 2002 | FormerLurker

[FormerLurker]

It is a well known fact that there are scores of computer professionals who have been laid off and are out of work in this country. Those positions include software engineers, network engineers, and electrical engineers. Those who have lost their jobs in the past 24 months know what I am talking about.

We all know WHY we've been laid off. It is because indentured servants from other lands have overrun our country with the help of Congress due to the false premise of a labor shortage by IT industry lobbyists.

Here we have an opportunity to "layoff" those who were responsible for OUR layoffs.

Below is a link that provides information as to what your Senator and Congressman have voted for in relation to this problem;

Congressional Vote Map

Additionally, if you'd like to know which companies in your area hire H1B workers to replace Americans, click on the following link..

Advanced LCA Search Form

[FormerLurker]

This is all about corporate greed. CEOs didn't want to play by the rules of supply and demand, and coerced Congress to INTERVENE in the talent market. But the market always wins in the long run - unfortunately by the time that happens America as a country will be non-existent. Corporate CEOs and management, selling out loyalty to the country for a extra buck...

It's bad enough that they shipped many factories to Mexico in the past. But when that wasn't cheap enough, they decided they'd move the facilities to CHINA in order to use virtually free slave labor forced to work 18 hour days. That is what they apparently would like to do here, where they would want to get away with practices that are in league with that of Red China. This is going to be one seriously bad mess if it continues in the direction that it is heading...

[FormerLurker]

With the criteria you gave, I have 2 Chemists, 1 Dentist, 1 Laser Physics Engineering Manager, and 1 Electro Physics Engineering Manager. The 2 Chemists have the same start date. That doen't necessarily indicate a dupe. It could very well be 2 Chemists on separate applications, which may in fact be the law for that occupation.

[FormerLurker]

I go there and I see 4 listings for DCM ASIC TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED, all for programmer analysts all making $60,000/yr all starting on 2/15/01 all set to expire 2/14/04, all for 30 H1Bs

My God. For that company alone, there's 104 applications with 30 workers each, scattered throughout the United States. Sure some cities are listed multiple times, but that could simply indicate a maximum number of 30 records per application...

[anu_shr]

and software jobs will move from India to china as well. Chinese engineers work twice as hard and get paid 1/5th as much. India is China's Mexico.

[eno_]

You need to learn Visual C# or app-server-oriented Java. Visual FoxPro is too low-end. The Visual Studio .NET stuff rocks, and if you learn that and then keep an eye on Python and Apache-based app server technology, you will have a bright future. The key is to realize that everything you know will be worthless in 36 months or less.

[eno_]

Your friend is out of work because all the router companies that went bust all hired ASIC designers at wonderful salaries and had them do ambitious designs. It's as if brain surgery became fasionable for 24 months and after that you get brain surgeons driving cabs. Getting rid of H1-Bs will not help at all at the high end of the scale because anyone doing a 20 million gate FPGA/ASIC will hire only the elite to do it, pay whatever it takes, and will go anywhere on the planet to get them - trouble is the supply of elite ASIC people is 1500% of the market size.

I know EVERYTHING there is to know about speech recognition. I'm a freakin' genius at it. Show me any 10 ASR companies/technologies (do 10 still exist?) and I'll tell you how they could all improve 100% in both technology and business model. And yet, I have not done a lick of work in speech reco for five years. Why? The industry sucks. It sucks in so many ways. It will never make money and will not produce a useful product in the foreseeable future. So what if I outclass every CEO and CTO in that industry if the industry itself is pathological. I have an inventory of several other obsolete and useless skills. Get used to it. It's the way the world works now. Look at the way technology books are published: 4 month market window and 8-16 month shelf-life, which is why they all have 6-10 authors (the 9 mothers giving birth in one month theory of book writing). The speed of obsolesence is about twice as fast as when I got out of school.

[discostu]

You shouldn't be getting any of those with the job computer - programmer/analyst.

[discostu]

Here's their website: http://www.dcmtech.com/index.htm they don't strike me as big enough to be adding 3000 employee's in America in the last 18 months. I think there's something wierd in how your guys are pulling their data.

[YankeeReb]

There is no job category that can't have its wages smashed downwards through h1b.

Look for wages in the nursing profession to start dropping within the next 5 years. You're hearing the same cries of a shortage of nurses that you heard about a shortage of I.T. professioals during the 90s. Already H1-b nurses are being brought over from the Philipines, that's always the beginning of the end for a decent paying profession in this country.

[Red Jones]

thanks for that advice, I know it's very good advice. But regarding VFP, we VFP people feel compelled to defend it. VFP is absolutely excellent for building interfaces with users for relational database work. It's fantastic at doing complex algorithms, it's got lots of commands for processing data. It also processes data very quickly. With my class library that takes full advantage of code encapsulation OOP style I feel very confident that I can outperform 95% of the VB programmers if the goal is to merely build a system that will function on a desktop or on a small network. So, I wouldn't describe VFP as low-end myself. But as someone else pointed out to me, it simply doesn't do well with very large amounts of data at back-end or across internet.

But that's very good advice you gave me. It would be easy for me to switch to VB. But C# seems to have a good future.

I've already decided though what I'll do. I'll continue trying to market software I wrote that is primarilly for small businesses that don't have huge data at back-end and don't care about VFP's problems. If that doesn't work out, then in a few months I'll go back to construction management which is what I did prior to 10 years ago.

[FormerLurker]

Here's their website: http://www.dcmtech.com/index.htm they don't strike me as big enough to be adding 3000 employee's in America in the last 18 months. I think there's something wierd in how your guys are pulling their data.

Perhaps there's something "weird" going on at that company. Fraud is rampant within the H1-B program, and the government has turned a blind eye towards it. Although the GAO has submitted a report describing such wide spread abuse, NO action has been taken.

Immigration fraud 'out of control'

[discostu]

Except they are by no means the only duplicate entry. Sorry the problems with your guys.

[Red Jones]

what you said in 191 is worth repeating. About 5-6 years ago people became suspicious because some h1b people just didn't have the skills that their resumes advertised. Congress did an investigation, they sent people to India to find out exactly how it was working. The investigators were investigating incognito so as to actually find fraud. Here's how it works. Americans ask recruiter in India to get a person with certain skills. If they don't have such person readily available, then they just lie about it, they falsify resumes like crazy in this program. Who can check? Are you going to call India and check? Who you going to talk to, the recruiter? and whoever else he points you to, that's who. So, there is massive fraud in the resumes, congress has proven this. But it doesn't matter. The corps just want a smart person who has potential and will work as indentured servitude.

[FormerLurker]

Sorry the problems with your guys.

That is pure conjecture on your part. If the data provided by INS is faulty, is it THEIR problem, and THEY should fix it. GAO HAS stated that there's a problem with INS, so what is it about this that you don't get?

[Red Jones]

you make a lot of sense in your advice in 186; I'm opposed radically to h1b, but we do have to recognize that change is part of the landscape now. People should also know that it's very hard to change when you've got all these h1b's swamping the market in every field. Lots of people have re-tooled themselves for a good skill and found no opportunity in it.

[FormerLurker]

So, there is massive fraud in the resumes, congress has proven this. But it doesn't matter. The corps just want a smart person who has potential and will work as indentured servitude.

That is exactly right. And that is what REALLY burns me up when those who have no clue as to the reality of the situation insist that the problem is with our schools. There are hundreds of thousands of HIGHLY educated and skilled engineers that simply can't get an interview, let alone a job. The lies and misrepresentations made to Congress in relation to a "shortage" of skilled workers in this country amounts to criminal fraud.

In fact, the last time I checked, it is a felony to conspire to violate someone's civil rights under color of law. That is exactly what has occured. Middle aged engineers are the victims of a conspiracy to deny them employment due to their age. Now who is going to enforce the law?

[Red Jones]

what we should be doing with the nursing shortage is we should be developing special education programs to get high school kids interested in it. We should be funnelling high school girls and recent high school graduates into jobs that prepare and indoctrinate a person for that profession. Nursing homes are under-staffed as is. We should get young people in there and let them get comfortable with it. We should consider developing or enhancing another category of nurses below RN, so the requirements to get in that field and so some work wouldn't be so large.

Remember when JFK said we're going to the moon before the decade was out. And then we did it in 1969? We have to try, we have to make it a priority, in order to achieve any goal. Our leaders are just letting this nursing shortage sneak up on us. Meanwhile high school kids are being polluted with junk in high schools instead of giving them something truly useful like a line on a nursing career.

[discostu]

Sorry, I'm of the school that who ever handled the data last is the ones that screwed things up, if the INS data is bad they could massage it, or at least point out that the INS data they're using sucks and has numerous apparent duplicates. The ones I pointed out present 270 H1B workers, if I'm right and they're erroneous duplicates they would only represent 80 H1B workers. That's a serious swing that changes the scope of the problem dramatically.

[FormerLurker]

You have not seen the raw data, neither have I. The database simply holds whatever was put in. If anyone wants to dispute the validity of the data, let them address it with those who administer the database.

[discostu]

Which is why I place the blame on the last people to handle the data.