Senator Questions Obama Eligibility

World Net Daily ^ | Feb. 22, 2009 | World Net Daily

[patriotgal1787]

WASHINGTON – A U.S. senator has weighed in on the continuing controversy over Barack Obama's eligibility for office by saying he has never seen proof the new president was actually born in Hawaii.

"Well, his father was Kenyan and they said he was born in Hawaii, but I haven't seen any birth certificate," Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., told constituents in Cullman County. "You have to be born in America to be president."

[Michael Michael]

Since you providfe no source/link I won’t respond.

Are you referring to my statement that McCain wasn't born in the Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama as you claimed he was?

If so, well, there's this piece by Michael Dobbs, published on the Washington Post's website:

John McCain's Birthplace - Fact Checker

From the piece:

As I reported earlier, the McCain campaign has declined to publicly release the senator's birth certificate. But a senior campaign official showed me a copy of his birth certificate issued by the "family hospital" in the Coco Solo submarine base. (McCain's grandfather commanded the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in 1936; his father was the executive officer of a submarine based in Coco Solo.)

The birth certificate was signed by Captain W. L. Irvine. I have now checked that name against the Naval Register for 1936, and I find that William Lorne Irvine was director of the medical facility at the submarine base hospital in Coco Solo, Panama Canal Zone, during that time period. You can see the entry here. I think this effectively disposes of any remaining doubts that McCain was born inside the Canal Zone.

Note also that the reporter says that the McCain campaign had declined to publicly release McCain's birth certificate.

Then there's the judge's order to dismiss in Hollander v. McCain:

Hollander v. McCain Order to Dismiss

McCain was born, in 1936, at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station, a United States military installation in the Panama Canal Zone.¹

And here's footnote 1 from above:

¹Though Hollander makes this allegation in his complaint, in his objection he states, “[s]ince the hospital at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station did not even exist until 1941 . . . , it is reasonable to assume that [McCain] was born in the city of Colón in the Republic of Panama.” Hollander has also provided a copy of McCain’s birth certificate, which lists his place of birth as Colón. The defendants dispute this theory, but it is irrelevant to the present motion in any event.

The copy of McCain's birth certificate that everyone including yourself seem to believe is real and was provided by McCain, was in fact provided by a swindler named Donald Lamb, who claims to be the legal representative of the Panama Railroad Company of New York.

Here's a little blurb about Donald Lamb from a 2002 piece in The Panama News:

Colon property owners file criminal charges against Lamb

The Urban Property Chamber of Colon, a group of business and land owners in the Atlantic side province, has filed criminal charges against Donald Lamb and several of his associates. Lamb heads a group of individuals who claim to own stock in the old Panama Railroad Company, which was taken over by the US government in the early part of the 20th century as part of the construction of the Panama Canal, and which was transferred to Panama under the 1977 Carter-Torrijos Treaties. Lamb and his followers claim that the 1904 and 1977 transfers were illegal and that they thus own vast stretches of property in the former Canal Zone. They have asserted their claims to such real estate as the ports of Cristobal and Coco Solo Norte by filing numerous lawsuits and registering claims to many properties. While in a few cases Lamb and his followers have prevailed in lower courts, such favorable judgments have been overruled on appeal. Last year, in response to Lamb's activities, the Supreme Court ordered the Registro Civil to eliminate all deeds in the former Canal Zone that do not derive from ARI's master deed. One provision of the controversial concession for Colon's multi-modal transport center requires the Panamanian government to indemnify the Consorcio San Lorenzo for any legal problems that Lamb's claims cause for the development. Now attorney Alberto Navarro has begun a legal counter-offensive on behalf of the Urban Property Chamber, accusing Lamb and his associates of falsifying documents, usurping lands, fraud, extortion and illicit association in their attempts to get money or land titles from chamber members Attia & Attia, Colon 2000, Rada SA, Nirzvi SA, Oficina Quijano, Victor Lum Lee and the Panama Canal Railway Company.

So who's lying here? McCain or Lamb?

[Michael Michael]

Misdirection!

You are responding to a post about Madison, not jus solis.

Try and keep your focus.

What Madison was describing, and what he specifically stated applied in the US at the time he said it, WAS jus solis. PLACE (jus solis. NOT parents (jus sanguinis).

[rodguy911]

Ditto that thanks for me as well!

Those of us who can't stop working due to Zero's economy really do appreciate all the hard work that Freepers like you guys do.

[Chief Engineer]

Actually Grandma Madelyn Leah Payne Dunham had one tightly controlled 30 minute interview with journalist David Mendell in 2004. Mendell followed Jr around for a few years prior to writing the book “Obama: From Promise to Power” I have been trying for a month to obtain the book but have had no luck as of yet. I would really like to read this particular book because apparently Jr disagreed with info Madelyn gave Mendell and Mendell pointed this fact out on his website. If anyone can manage to obtain this book please let me know. Thanks!

[Revolting cat!]

I just found copies of it here: http://www.addall.com/ (whether or not they exist I don’t know.)

[El Gato]

I wonder if Senator Shelby has “standing”??????

Yes, he could have stood up in the Senate in early January and objected to each vote cast for The One.

[El Gato]

Nowhere does it say anything about race.

Hawaian ones do, at least the parent's race. Both the short form and the long form.

At least in the early 1960s they did, and the short form still does.

[El Gato]

According to the Naturalization Act of 1790, a person could be born to two US citizens overseas and be considered a "natural born citizen".

But that has been superceded. Congress can't change the definition of a Constitutional term anyway, except by amendment which takes the whole ratification by the states thing. All subsequent versions of the law only speak of acquiring citizenship, not natural born citizenship, at birth.

[El Gato]

If a law, EO, regulation is passed in an unconstitutional manner, i.e. by someone not eligible to be president, then it has no authority, no matter what Congress does.

That's true, but what they would doing is passing it again, and then the new Soros Sock Puppet would sign it.

[El Gato]

Obama was born a British citizen. George Washington and Ben Franklin et all wouldn’t be happy.

I was sort hoping Old Ben, the First American, would send down one of his lighting bolts on January 20th. Right out of that clear blue sky.

[Paleo Conservative]

Congress can't change the definition of a Constitutional term anyway,

Lots of provisions in the constitution allow Congress to pass legislation to define how particular constitutional powers should be executed. The "full faith and credit" clause allows Congress to define by statue how states recognize or not recognize the official acts of other states. In particular the "Defense of Marriage Act" specifically allows states to not recognize "same sex marriages recorded in other states.

Article 4.

Section 1
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

[Michael Michael]

Yes, he could have stood up in the Senate in early January and objected to each vote cast for The One.

Well, no. He'd have had to submit it in writing, and someone from the House of Representatives would have to have done the same.

[Chief Engineer]

Thanks for the link, I might end up having a serious discussion to get one!

[Blood of Tyrants]

It wouldn’t be that easy. It would throw a wrench into the works like you wouldn’t believe. There would be immediate demands for his dismissal and a new election. There would be demands that all the laws and EO’s and regulations be nullified. Many of the blacks who voted for him would riot and wouldn’t care about the evidence before them.

[BP2]

Actually, it is William Smith -- I should have used his last name in my narrative, but they are the same person.

It's chronicled here, courtesy of Google Books, starting on page 37:
A Historical and Legal Digest of All the Contested Election Cases in the House of Representatives of the United States from the First to the Fifty-sixth Congress, 1789-1901 -- published in 1901.

BTW, there's more in this book that Obama and his minions probably would rather you not know about...

[celtic gal]

Getting on board late..0bama is just now going to speak.puke.
I agree with the need for Mr Steele to get on board before more of this damage is done to this county. I am sick of hearing every morning when I turn on the news...more spending.
On the Hannity radio show today, a lady called in to say that she had got some calls for donations. To which she said to the caller ‘ do you know who the president is?” “It is Obama..and he is taxing me into poverty. My donation days are over”.
This is pretty much the sum of things.

[Aliska]

Hawaian ones do

Yes, I was aware of that when I posted what I did, remembered seeing those copies you posted. Checked mine again because it is odd race isn't on there. It's not. Have done a lot of genealogy, and race is in all kinds of records.

Mine is from about a generation earlier and obviously not in Hawaii, amazing it contains as much detail as it does.

[justiceseeker93]

Obama is just now going to speak...

I turned him off when he said the first of what I'm sure will be many lies tonight: that he does not believe in big government!

[Aliska]

Something to mull over. The 1940 census is due to be released to the public in 2010. It's probably neither here nor there, but note that it is being taken over directly by the executive branch.

Also, just because they can only be released every decade, that doesn't mean they aren't archived somewhere, with certain people who do have access, which brings us to 1950, 1960, and on.

I hate it when I start thinking along these lines.

[Michael Michael]

You're taking this quote way out of context and trying to apply it incorrectly, just as you have been the 14th Amendment!

Madison said this regards to a William Smith from S. Carolina born in 1758 and who left the colonies in 1770 as a child. He was in England at prep school with his parents and they were all absent from America during the whole of the war until November 1783; his parents both died while they were in England.

I'm taking nothing out of context.

What you can't seem to grasp is first that when Madison said what he did with regard to place of birth, he was establishing some general principles before leading up to his specific defense of Smith. And that in doing so, stated clearly that it was place, not parentage which applied in the United States.