Lie! Lie! Lie!
Take a flying leap, Liar !!
Posted on 08/11/2004 5:47:41 AM PDT by Interesting Times
On October 14, 1979, John Kerry described a remarkable event from his days as a Swift boat officer for the Boston Herald:
"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon [sic] claimed there were no American troops was very real."
-- President Nixon, of course, did not assume office until January of 1969.
On March 27, 1986, during a speech opposing President Reagan's policy in Central America, Senator John Kerry had this to say:
"Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -— seared -— in me, that says to me, before we send another generation into harm's way we have a responsibility in the U.S. Senate to go the last step, to make the best effort possible in order to avoid that kind of conflict." [see Congressional Record - Senate of March 27, 1986, page 3594]
And again, in a 1992 article by the Associated Press:
"But for Kerry, who spent six violent months [sic] commanding a patrol boat on the Mekong River, there's always been a ring of truth to allegations of abandoned Americans. By Christmas 1968, part of Kerry's patrol extended across the border of South Vietnam into Cambodia.
"We were told, `Just go up there and do your patrol. Everybody was over there (in Cambodia). Nobody thought twice about it," Kerry said. One of the missions, which Kerry, at the time, was ordered not to discuss, involved taking CIA operatives into Cambodia to search for enemy enclaves.
"I can remember wondering, `If you're going to go, what happens to you,"' Kerry said.
As recently as May of 2000, U.S. News and World Report stated that, "Sen. John Kerry made his first forays into Cambodia during the Vietnam War as a Navy lieutenant on clandestine missions to deliver weapons to anticommunist forces."
Interestingly, Kerry's Cambodian sojourn, though "seared" into his memory by 1986, somehow failed to rate a mention in Kerry's own contemporary journal.
In "Unfit for Command," authors John O'Neill and Dr. Jerome Corsi document the impossibility of Kerry's story:
Despite the dramatic memories of his Christmas in Cambodia, Kerry’s statements are complete lies. Kerry was never in Cambodia during Christmas 1968, or at all during the Vietnam War. In reality, during Christmas 1968, he was more than fifty miles away from Cambodia. Kerry was never ordered into Cambodia by anyone and would have been court-martialed had he gone there.
During Christmas 1968, Kerry was stationed at Coastal Division 13 in Cat Lo. Coastal Division 13’s patrol areas extended to Sa Dec, about fifty-five miles from the Cambodian border. Areas closer than fifty-five miles to the Cambodian border in the area of the Mekong River were patrolled by PBRs, a small river patrol craft, and not by Swift Boats. Preventing border crossings was considered so important at the time that an LCU (a large, mechanized landing craft) and several PBRs were stationed to ensure that no one could cross the border.
A large sign at the border prohibited entry. Tom Anderson, Commander of River Division 531, who was in charge of the PBRs, confirmed that there were no Swifts anywhere in the area and that they would have been stopped had they appeared.
All the living commanders in Kerry’s chain of command—Joe Streuhli (Commander of CosDiv 13), George Elliott (Commander of CosDiv 11), Adrian Lonsdale (Captain, USCG and Commander, Coastal Surveillance Center at An Thoi), Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (Commander, Coastal Surveillance Force Vietnam, CTF 115), and Rear Admiral Art Price (Commander of River Patrol Force, CTF 116)—deny that Kerry was ever ordered to Cambodia. They indicate that Kerry would have been seriously disciplined or court-martialed had he gone there. At least three of the five crewmen on Kerry’s PCF 44 boat—Bill Zaldonis, Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner—deny that they or their boat were ever in Cambodia. The remaining two crewmen declined to be interviewed for this book. Gardner, in particular, will never forget those days in late December when he was wounded on PCF 44, not in Cambodia, but many miles away in Vietnam.
As part of the supporting documentation given to station managers for our television ad, "Any Questions?" we provided this regarding John Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia":
The story is a total preposterous fabrication by Kerry. Exhibit 8 is an affidavit by the Commander of the Swift boats in Vietnam, Admiral Roy Hoffmann, stating that Kerry's claim to be in Cambodia for Christmas Eve and Christmas of 1968 is a total lie. If necessary, similar affidavits are available from the entire chain of command. In reality, Kerry was at Sa Dec -- easily locatable on any map more than fifty miles from Cambodia. Kerry himself inadvertently admits that he was in Sa Dec for Christmas Eve and Christmas and not in Cambodia, as he had stated for so many years on the Senate Floor, in the newspapers, and elsewhere. Exhibit 27, Tour, pp. 213-219. Sa Dec is hardly "close" to the Cambodian border. In reality, far from being ordered secretly to Cambodia, Kerry spent a pleasant night at Sa Dec with "visions of sugar plums" dancing in his head. Exhibit 27, p. 219. At Sa Dec where the Swift boat patrol area ended, there were many miles of other boats (PBR's) leading to the Cambodian border. There were also gunboats on the border to prevent any crossing. If Kerry tried to get through, he would have been arrested. Obviously, Kerry has hardly been honest about his service in Vietnam.
John Kerry was never shot at by Khmer Rouge and Cambodians. He never took CIA operatives into Cambodia to search for enemy enclaves. In fact, John Kerry's boat never came within 50 miles of Cambodia at any time.
Not only was he not there at Christmas, according to Corsi he was NEVER within even 50 miles of Cambodia!
Excellent,Puppage!
Lie! Lie! Lie!
Take a flying leap, Liar !!
nooilforpaciofists.blogspot.com-led me to this interesting old story.
It actually gets worse and worse for Kerry.
He claimed that he routinely went on many clandestine missions into Cambodia- he had no choice, but, was ordered to by superiors.
The Kerry campaign is going to have to lump the AP, US News and the WP in with the SBVFT- all are liars, I guess.
US News and World Report
Mission to Cambodia
by Kevin Whitelaw | May 08 '00
"Sen. John Kerry made his first forays into Cambodia during the Vietnam War as a Navy lieutenant on clandestine missions to deliver weapons to anticommunist forces."
" When he returned last week, the mission was official, but dicey nonetheless..."
The blog-justoneminute.typepad.com led me to this link
Copyright, 1992. The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
By JOHN DIAMOND
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Navy Lt. John Kerry knew he had no business steering his Mekong River patrol boat across the border into Cambodia, but orders were orders.
A quarter-century later, Sen. John Kerry says newly declassified documents have convinced him fellow servicemen captured on such trips were left behind at war's end...
Perhaps only stir-fried? Guess Kerry's tour was medium-rare instead of well done...
The Kerry Kampaign is a mass grave for the truth...
Wow.
Anybody hear the poll on Rush....I must have missed it.
He was going to have a poll on the SwiftVets impact.
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My fave photo is you with Ted Kennedy. Do you know if that was before he crashed (airplane) and hurt his back?
Kerry is lying plain and simple (as if that is something new) ....if there were supplies or insertions "across the fence" as it was known as(you haven't heard him use that term which he would have if he had been there) it would have been done by helicopter. What kind of fool would run a boat 50 miles @ 20 knots in shallow waterways with the chance of getting captured when it could be delivered to the exact spot it was needed at 120 knots. Liars like criminals are so stupid. John you messed in your mess kit and you're not going to walk away from this lie!! Vietnam Vets are going to win this one after having lived with the results of your lies for over 30 years.
Sure. Now you are going to tell me that there is no Santa Clause!
I guess that Cambodia was so secret that John Scary didn't know that he was there.
As an Army veteran I know that a number of imposters attended the Chicago Welcome Home Parade in 1986 claiming to be Vietnam vets. Us real vets joked about how some of the imposters were so young that they would have had to be drummer boys during the war!
Kerry reminds me of a certain type of combat wanna- be but never was, that would go to the local Army-Navy store and buy medals and rank insignia and wear them on their uniforms to impress their civilian friends and girls at the local bar.
I don't believe that the Khmer Rouge had even been formed at that time, had they? How could they be firing on him?
Now, Kerry's campaign is stumbling all over themselves trying to do damage control on this one! Now, they are saying that actually Kerry just said that he was "near" Cambodia!
Well, then, his speech on the Senate floor and all his articles now do not make any sense! He is a crazy man then, because his whole point in saying he was in Cambodia for Christmas, was that "his own government was denying that he was in Cambodia"...so, what is his point, and his argument, that he was "really" trying to make on the Senate floor? Since his government wasn't covering up anything, and had not in fact "betrayed" him....???
He used a lie, to condemn someone for lying! What a guy!
tell me how a memory that never happened gets "seared" in one's brain?.
You repeat the lie so many times that even you begin to believe it!
The Dems were fools not to follow this advice. Anyone who questioned his service would have looked like a creep. They should have done what you said, and left it alone; and if Kerry really wanted to be President, he should have apologised for all the accusations he made in the '70's about war crimes and "atrocities"...he should have plead youthful exuberance....
I tell you, the Dems want us to believe that they would be better negotiators with other countries, when they go ahead and plan such a foolish campaign? When they run such a foolish candidate?
We found out after clinton, that integrity, honesty and Character DOES matter.
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A First-Term TED KENNEDY crashed in a small plane in Mid-1964, breaking his back. He came on a Congressonal Junket in October 1965 to Vietnam to survey Refugee Re-Location after effects caused by our American Military Operations there. This was all before he went NUTS.
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Kerry: "I remember when President Lincoln told me at Gettysburg that..."
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