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Evolution as Described by the Second Law of Thermodynamics
Physorg.com ^
| August 11, 2008
| Lisa Zyga
Posted on 08/11/2008 11:22:05 AM PDT by Soliton
By viewing evolution as the motion of energy flows toward a stationary state (entropy), evolution can be explained by the second law of thermodynamics, a law which conventionally describes physical systems. In this view, a cheetah serves as an energy transfer mechanism, and beneficial mutations allow the animal to transfer more energy within its environment, helping even out the energy.
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TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: boring; cantthink; clueless; crevo; evolution; humor; irrational; junkscience; makebelieve; noonecares; obsession; patrickhenryreturns; thermodynamics; whatajoke; yawn; zzzzzzzzz
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But creationist IDers say that the second law of thermodynamics makes natural evolution impossible!
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:22:05 AM PDT
by
Soliton
To: Soliton
But creationist IDers say that the second law of thermodynamics makes natural evolution impossible! I think most creationists have abandoned that line of argument.
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:25:37 AM PDT
by
jalisco555
("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
To: Soliton
Evolution is based upon the theory that death and mutation has ultimately resulted in the creation of man.
No thanks...
I’ll take Jesus my Lord, God and Savior over death and mutation 10,000 times in a row.
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:26:36 AM PDT
by
shineon
To: jalisco555
I think most creationists have abandoned that line of argument.Not here on FR. I get it tossed at me constantly
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:26:50 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: Soliton
Not here on FR. I get it tossed at me constantly Oh, I know. But in general I think it's the case.
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:28:37 AM PDT
by
jalisco555
("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
To: shineon
Ill take Jesus my Lord, God and Savior over death and mutation 10,000 times in a row.But the Bible tells us that Jesus died and mutated (transfigured). Don't you believe the Bible?
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:30:24 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: shineon
Evolution is based upon the theory that death and mutation has ultimately resulted in the creation of man. No thanks...That's like saying, "Gravity is based on the theory that we're all getting sucked into our planet. No thanks."
Facts are stubborn things. They don't just go away because you don't like them or their implications.
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:30:41 AM PDT
by
Alter Kaker
(Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
To: Alter Kaker
Facts are stubborn things. They don't just go away because you don't like them or their implications. Well said.
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:31:50 AM PDT
by
jalisco555
("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
To: Soliton
I put creme in my coffee this morning, and it changed colors...must be evolution....
Making your point is one thing; but you are borderline obsessed with this stuff.....seriously.....
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:31:50 AM PDT
by
scottdeus12
(Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
To: Soliton
But creationist IDers say that the second law of thermodynamics makes natural evolution impossible! If the young earthers ignore the part about 'closed system', ignoring that initial energy transfer comes from the sun.
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:32:33 AM PDT
by
mnehring
To: Soliton
I was under the impression that the second law of thermodynamics also spoke of a movement from order to chaos. From useful/organized energy to useless/random energy. Is that not an aspect of this theory?
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:37:42 AM PDT
by
Theo
(Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
To: jalisco555
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:38:00 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: Theo
I was under the impression that the second law of thermodynamics also spoke of a movement from order to chaos. From useful/organized energy to useless/random energy. Is that not an aspect of this theory?That is what they are discussing in the article
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:40:30 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: Soliton
Well, I admit I don’t spend a lot of time reading the ID literature. It’s just an impression I’ve gathered, that those who believed the 2nd Law precludes evolution were just embarrassed too often and dropped that particular argument.
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:41:54 AM PDT
by
jalisco555
("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
To: Soliton
;-)
To: Soliton
I buy that faster cheetahs beget faster cheetahs. But the logical conclusion would also be that wildebeests and antelope type species develop claws and fangs to fend off their attackers.
It has to work both ways - right?
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:45:10 AM PDT
by
jonno
(Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
To: jonno
I buy that faster cheetahs beget faster cheetahs. But the logical conclusion would also be that wildebeests and antelope type species develop claws and fangs to fend off their attackers. It has to work both ways - right? No it doesn't. Maybe they develop faster speed and herd behavior instead. Humans didn't develop fangs to fight the sabre-tooth tiger, we developed better brains.
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:48:09 AM PDT
by
jalisco555
("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
To: jalisco555
Well, I admit I dont spend a lot of time reading the ID literature. Its just an impression Ive gathered, that those who believed the 2nd Law precludes evolution were just embarrassed too often and dropped that particular argumentAnd they should be, but the link I just gave you is to a site run by one of the Discovery Institutes primary voices. The Discovery Institute is behind this whole ID push. They don't publish this nonsense to convert scientists. It's for the true believers to inocculate themselves agaist the truth. It's not a recruiting strategy, but a retention program.
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:49:15 AM PDT
by
Soliton
(> 100)
To: Soliton
Dang, that’s Rush’s guy. Who would have thought he was on board with this stuff?
To: Soliton
So you thought you’d just stir the pot a bit...
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posted on
08/11/2008 11:54:04 AM PDT
by
xmission
(Democrats have killed our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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