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A Celestial Collision
Alaska Science Forum ^ | February 10, 1983 | Larry Gedney

Posted on 09/15/2004 9:04:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Early in the evening of June 18, 1178, a group of men near Canterbury, England, stood admiring the sliver of a new moon hanging low in the west. In terms they later described to a monk who recorded their sighting, "Suddenly a flaming torch sprang from the moon, spewing fire, hot coals and sparks." In continuing their description of the event, they reported that "The moon writhed like a wounded snake and finally took on a blackish appearance"... [P]lanetary scientist Jack Hartung of the State University of New York... gathered enough clues to suggest that a large asteroid... might have smacked into the moon just over the horizon on the back side. To test his suspicion, Hartung went to the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston, and inspected Russian and American photographs of the moon's back side. Sure enough, in just the right place, he found a remarkably fresh crater, 12 miles across and twice as deep as the Grand Canyon. From it radiated white splatter marks for hundreds of miles... Such an impact, reason astrophysicists, would set the moon to ringing like a gong for thousands of years... At Texas' McDonald Observatory, astronomers Odile Calame and J. Derral Mulholland of the University of Texas find that the surface of the moon moves back and forth fully 80 feet! Such an oscillation clearly implies a collision with something large, sometime within the not-too-distant past, probably within the memory of mankind. The problem is that there is no way to peg the date exactly at 1178.

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I first heard of the 1178 AD impact account on an episode of NOVA (PBS) circa 1983. I first heard of the following 1953 report about two years ago:
A Flash From the Past:
New Evidence Supports Moon Blast

by Henry Fountain
March 4, 2003
On the Moon, material that is freshly exposed has a slight bluish tinge. Over time, because of the constant bomb ardment of cosmic rays, other high-energy particles and micrometeorites, the structure of the material changes and iron particles tend to predominate, making the material slightly red.

In the Clementine photos, Dr. Buratti and Mr. Johnson found one small crater that was "very, very blue and fresh appearing," Dr. Buratti said. It also happened to be in the exact center of the area they were looking. And it was the proper size — slightly less than a mile across, including the ejecta blanket. Dr. Bu ratti estimated the size of the asteroid at 20 yards in diameter.
A few years ago (okay, probably five) someone actually tried to refute this 1178 AD impact by claiming there would have been numberless "shooting star" reports on Earth had such an impact actually taken place. He was wrong of course, but I'm sure he still got his PhD.
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1 posted on 09/15/2004 9:04:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 09/15/2004 9:17:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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Rain of Iron and Ice:
The Very Real Threat of
Comet and Asteroid Bombardment

by John S. Lewis
On November 27,1919, a meteorite fell into Lake Michigan near the Michigan shore. "Residents of Battle Creek, Kalamazoo, South Bend, Grand Haven, and other Western Michigan cities fled from their homes in panic, fearing an earthquake. Houses were shaken, the country was illuminated as by a bright sun's rays, so all-enveloping it was impossible to tell from which direction the flare came, the earth trembled for half a moment and then came a deep prolonged rumbling as of a terrific explosion." (p 159)
This event came as a surprise, as I've never heard it recounted by any of my elderly relatives, and most of them died before I read about it in this book. A number of other such impacts, including some which hit or nearly hit people, ships, animals etc, are described in this book, which I recommend. My review on Amazon is still there, but much shorter than I remember...

Rain of Iron and Ice: The Very Real Threat of Comet and Asteroid Bombardment
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3 posted on 09/15/2004 9:22:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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To: SunkenCiv
refute this 1178 AD impact by claiming there would have been numberless "shooting star" reports

Sure, but sightings aren't reports, and who would take reports anyway? After all, Dan Rather wasn't around then to place it in the public record. Was he?

4 posted on 09/15/2004 9:26:17 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: SunkenCiv

It is difficult to pin the date at exactly 1178. It depends on the day in 1178, as there were calendar adjustments after that :D

5 posted on 09/15/2004 11:48:41 AM PDT by Henchman (Vote Communist - elect Kerry!)
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To: Henchman
Yeah, in the English-speaking world, the adjustment was made in October 1752. Sooo, George Washington et al generally wrote their birthdays both ways after that time. The adjustment took place earlier (by a century or so) in most Catholic countries. Sweden (I think it was) adjusted its calendar, then adjusted it back, then after a couple other tries got it on track. Russia never changed its calendar, leaving that task to the Soviet Union.

There's a maverick guy who claims that Columbus' initial landfall was at Egg Island (he's the only one who thinks so, other than his small band of followers), and one of his arguments actually has some bearing -- that Columbus was using the pre-adjustment calendar, which means we celebrate Columbus Day on the wrong day. ;')

6 posted on 09/15/2004 12:14:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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To: RightWhale
I was never impressed by the lack of reports -- the future Nobel laureate claims to have found nothing in medieval literature (20+ different languages) in the two months (!) or so he spend working on his paper.

I wonder what he thinks of the constant bombardment of micrometeors in our atmosphere, and visible any night where the skies are clear and sufficiently dark? I mean, he did say that the bombardment should still be going on.

Doesn't mention this smaller 1953 impact, and the consequences that should have resulted.

Or the fact that these high velocity impacts mostly lead to vaporization.

Or the fact that an impact fireball on the Moon would be larger due to the Moon's smaller size and density (about 1 per cent the mass of the Earth) and cratering more severe than here on the Earth.
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7 posted on 09/15/2004 12:31:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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8 posted on 09/15/2004 7:12:57 PM PDT by visualops (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message ...)
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That explains it... :'D

9 posted on 09/15/2004 9:57:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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To: SunkenCiv

other lunar topics I've started:

In the shadow of the Moon
New Scientist ^ | 30 January 1999 | editors
Posted on 08/31/2004 8:42:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

It Came from Outer Space?
American Scientist ^ | November-December 2004 | David Schneider
Posted on 11/25/2004 5:13:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv

When the Days Were Shorter
Alaska Science Forum (Article #742) ^ | November 11, 1985 | Larry Gedney
Posted on 10/04/2004 10:31:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

10 posted on 11/28/2004 12:28:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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Giordano Bruno, the June 1975 Meteoroid Storm,
Encke, and Other Taurid Complex Objects
Icarus (Volume 104, Issue 2 , pp 280-290) ^ | August 1993 | Jack B. Hartung
Posted on 12/27/2004 2:37:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv

there are also topics about the 1953 impact.

11 posted on 12/27/2004 3:08:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (risk of impact, 2004 MN4,
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12 posted on 01/31/2005 11:16:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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Britain's Plan To Save Planet From Quakes And Asteroids...
The Times | 3/30/05 | Mark Henderson
Posted on 03/29/2005 7:05:24 PM PST by LoudAmericanCowboy

13 posted on 03/29/2005 9:59:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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from my Links page on FR:

Catastrophism: Argument for the Cometary Origin of the Biosphere

Catastrophism: Astronomers unravel a mystery of the Dark Ages

Catastrophism: Catastrophic event preceded Dark Ages -- scientist

Catastrophism: Celestial Collision

Catastrophism: Cosmic Hole-in-One Captured Over Antarctica

Catastrophism: Early volcano victims discovered

Catastrophism: Electric Arcs in Planetary Science (thanks Swordmaker!)

Catastrophism: Eltanin Impact Crater

Catastrophism: Forests Frozen In Time

Catastrophism: Giant asteroid rocked Antarctica

Catastrophism: Grains Found in Ga. Traced to Asteroid

Catastrophism: Hazard of Near-Earth Asteroid Impacts on Earth

Catastrophism: Huge Idiocy Posted at FreeRepublic

Catastrophism: Ice-Core Evidence Challenges 1620 BC date for the Santorini Eruption

Catastrophism: Impact Event in 3114 BC? The beginning of a Turbulent Millennium

Catastrophism: In the shadow of the Moon

Catastrophism: It Came from Outer Space?

Catastrophism: June 1975 Meteoroid Storm, Encke, and Other Taurid Complex Objects

Catastrophism: Lake Michigan Impact in 1919 (I posted it)

Catastrophism: Loss of Musk Ox Genetic Diversity at Pleistocene-Holocene Transition

Catastrophism: Mass Extinctions -- the New Catastrophism in the History of Life

Catastrophism: Moon over Chicxulub

Catastrophism: New evidence for the Moon's soft middle

Catastrophism: Niue 'flattened' by tsunami-type waves [blast from the past]

Catastrophism: Peekskill Fireball -- October 9, 1992

Catastrophism: Powerful Quake Shakes Seabed Near Vanuatu

Catastrophism: Professor Says Mayan Calendar Does Not Portend Earth's Doom (2012AD)

Catastrophism: Reality of Ancient Catastrophism

Catastrophism: Red Planet's Ancient Equator Located

Catastrophism: Reworked Images Reveal Hot Venus

Catastrophism: Road to Saturn by Dwardu Cardona (thanks Junior)

Catastrophism: Shocked Quartz from Chesapeake Asteroid

Catastrophism: Small Asteroid Passes Between Satellites and Earth

Catastrophism: Small Comets and Our Origins

Catastrophism: Spitzer Sees the Aftermath of a Planetary Collision

Catastrophism: When the Days Were Shorter

14 posted on 10/29/2005 2:06:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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15 posted on 03/26/2006 8:10:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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a bump for 2006:

Comet or Meteorite Impact Events in 1178AD?
SIS Conference | 1-26-2003 | Emilio Spedicato
Posted on 01/03/2005 6:59:02 PM EST by blam

16 posted on 04/29/2006 7:56:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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17 posted on 01/09/2009 2:36:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________
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Link hunted down with help from wikipedia; looks like the date in “Rain of Iron and Ice” is off by a day; the story is found near the bottom of the second column:

(the copy and paste appears to be OCR-quality, iow, needed some editing)

The Washington Tîmes
NUMBER 11,3612


Electric Plants Wrecked As Strange Visitor Appears on Michigan- Indiana Line.

CHICAGO. Nov. 27 — Telegraph snd telephone communications and electric lighting plants in several cities in southern Michigan and northern Indiana were out of commission today as a result of a remarkable phenomenon, believed by several scientists to have been a gigantic meteor which rushing earthward from the East appeared to dissolve as it approached the earth near Athens, Mich., last night.

The phenomenon is reported to have assumed various forms, in its race earthward, ranging from a brilliant illumination to a heavy rain accompanied by heavy thunder.

The phenomenon was seen over Chicago by several persons. It was reported here shortly before 8 o’clock. It appeared over the lake and resembled in appearance an extraordinarily prolonged flash of heat lightning.

Athens, Battle Creek, and Three Oaks, Mich., report considerable damages to property. At Athens, it in said, there was an earthquake, continuing for fully three minutes, accompanied by a heavy rain and wind storm, a loud clap of thunder, and a flash of light in the sky of longer duration than lightning.

At La Porte, South Bend, Fort Wayne. Warsaw, and other Indiana points, windows were broken by the concussion.

The Calumet Electric Light Company, at Kalamazoo, Mich., and several smaller plants throughout this section of the country were temporarily disabled.

(Athens, Michigan)

18 posted on 05/04/2014 2:05:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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