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Within the next several days, barring intervention from Congress, the Biden Regime, in violation of the law, will remove the Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery
ThreadReaderApp.com ^ | December 15, 2023 | Jeremy Carl @jeremycarl4

Posted on 12/16/2023 9:27:14 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

1/ Within the next several days, barring intervention from Congress, the Biden Regime, in violation of the law, will remove the Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery, commissioned to celebrate the reconciliation of North and South.

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2/ The memorial is considered the masterwork of the renowned Jewish-American sculptor Sir Moses Ezekiel (a former Confederate soldier who was described by his biographer as “adamantly opposed to slavery") who is buried at its base.

3/ Ezekiel, knighted by the King of Italy, was so dedicated to North-South reconciliation that he would later host commanding Union General Ulysses S. Grant at his studio.

4/ Yet in the wake of the George Floyd moral panic, this memorial was scheduled for removal, though its removal is being done in violation of several federal laws and the clear text of the legislation, which excludes graves.

5/ As former Democrat Senator and Navy Secretary Jim Webb said:

“What was it that Union Army veteran McKinley understood about the Confederate soldiers who opposed him on the battlefield that eludes today’s monument smashers and ad hominem destroyers of historical reputations?”

6/ In fact, at the time it was constructed, some major Confederate groups opposed it because they opposed the reconciliation it symbolized.

7/ Webb, a Vietnam Veteran, has spoken about taking groups of North and South Vietnamese to the monument to show how the U.S. reconciled successfully after a bitter civil war

8/ 44 House Republicans have signed a letter opposing the removal but every Republican should be on record as opposing this lawless action

9/ But of course, this is never *really* about the Confederacy or “Confederate Statues”. The same spirit animated the recent removal of the statue of Thomas Jefferson from the New York City Council, where it had stood for 187 years.



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To: Sequoyah101

In the very headline of the article, it states that Congress could intervene and stop the destruction of the Confederate Memorial.

With that being the case, why isn’t the House of Representatives meeting to stop the destruction of the Confederate Memorial?


101 posted on 12/16/2023 4:48:55 PM PST by Round Earther
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To: RFEngineer; DiogenesLamp

Excellent explanations saving me from the typing I was still organizing. “Don’t confuse me with the facts” seems to be the motto of too many here. They are either stubbornly ignorant, unwitting tools of villains (see “From the river to the sea”) or purposely malicious agents working to replace patriotism and faith in God with Big Government.

The average Southern soldier suffered severe hardships and deprivations most of their Northern counterparts never imagined - not for slavery’s sake (as that, like today’s illegal aliens, robbed poor citizen’s opportunities) but for the sake of their state’s being warred upon and ravaged after being financially screwed over by the Northern ones for decades.

Regarding the phrase “War of Northern Aggression” is no joke when learning how the Southern state’s were effectively punked by a Congress totally under control of the Northeastern industrial complex of that time.

Tearing down this statue is an insult to those who, despite all the tragedy, turned the other cheek and sought a brighter future. But we’re living in a time where Martin Luther King’s vision of an America where we’re judged on our qualities over color is rapidly being replaced with Diversity (voluntary segregation), Equity (socialism/communism) and Inclusion (being forced to accept people wrong for the job/task).

This crap is poisonous to America’s current and future well being and will most assuredly get our military defeated when the hostilities the Democrats and their RINO lap dogs are escalating become open wars.

As Ozzy sang in my favorite hymn: “Why don’t they go out and do the fight? Oh Lord yeah!”


102 posted on 12/16/2023 4:49:00 PM PST by MikelTackNailer (Without Sovereignty a nation stands for nothing. When will the traitor hangings commence?)
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To: FLT-bird
Thanks for your thoughtful response. I do not disagree with your points. For me, the tragedy of the time was the inability of some to recognize the pernicious effects of an immoral institution practiced largely for economic considerations.

Our miraculous plan for governance was and is still at risk because of the evil lust for power that is always with us.

103 posted on 12/16/2023 4:50:05 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.- Mencken)
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To: RFEngineer

Why do even live here? You obviously don’t love a United United States. It is THE UNITED STATES we pledge alliance to, not a defeated confederacy, it is the UNITED STATES that we are fighting to preserve against the left’s attempts to destroy it. THE UNITED STATES must be perceived, and it will be.


104 posted on 12/16/2023 4:50:54 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: MikelTackNailer

1. Mlk Jr was a commie loving women beating phony. 2. “ The Union must and Shall be Preserved” Trump’s hero Andrew Jackson. 3. I agree with you about the Monument, it was in the spirit of Grant- Lee reconciliation. Grant refused to let his soldiers rejoice, and let the Army of the Virginia go home with thier horses. Lee refused to go Gurillia. This Monument honors that.


105 posted on 12/16/2023 4:56:18 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: cowboyusa

“Why do you even stay in the US?”

Because I said, “I believe Lincoln did add a slave state to the Union after the Emancipation Proclamation” you are mad at me?

I didn’t think there would be anything wrong with making an historically correct statement.


106 posted on 12/16/2023 5:12:59 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: cowboyusa

“Why do even live here? You obviously don’t love a United United States.”

Friend, I could ask you the same question.

Why do you live here? Is it for preserving some facsimile of “unity” at the expense of the inconvenient Constitution? Do you want “unity” or do you want a Constitutional Republic?

I know what I want and love. You seem confused.


107 posted on 12/16/2023 5:15:46 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

I want leftism driven out of the United States, and the foundation of this Biblical Country to be rebuilt. I also want a reckoning against the left for the crimes and treason they have committed against the United States.


108 posted on 12/16/2023 5:25:10 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70
“No, closing the border, enforcing the imigration laws, revising FISA, impeachment of Mayorkas there are a lot of issues more important than statues.”

Confederate statues are part of the cultural war; and you want no part of that. Lots of people feel that way.

And lots of people don't give two cents about keeping statues of Columbus, Jefferson, and Washington.

I am curious how you feel about defending this country's association with possible slaver Americus Vespucius. Change the name of United States of America or not?

109 posted on 12/16/2023 5:29:38 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem
”Still, a case of sorts can be made that after the House Divided speech Lincoln was determined, if elected president, to find a way to take up arms to overthrow constitutional slavery - since he didn’t have the votes.

Knock yourself out. Make that case.

Many, many style it as “Lincoln fought to free the slaves.”

I take it you include yourself among the “Many, many”?

”I believe Lincoln did add a slave state to the Union after the Emancipation Proclamation.”

Conditionally (as you know). How picayune of you.

It’s hard to tell with you. Are you saying Lincoln wanted to overthrow Slavery, or to expand it? Seems like you are not sure.

110 posted on 12/16/2023 5:33:43 PM PST by HandyDandy (Borders, language and culture. Michael Savage)
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To: PerConPat

“Does “the governed” also refer to the enslaved?”

No; the concept of “consent of the governed” was not a reference to slaves voting for wage and hour laws.

At least I don’t know of any signers of the DOI that argued that slaves were brought to this country to be electors.

Maybe you know otherwise.


111 posted on 12/16/2023 5:59:10 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

What I know is only my belief that to argue for states rights on the basis of “consent of the governed”, whilst owning slaves, is hypocritical.


112 posted on 12/16/2023 6:12:59 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.- Mencken)
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To: cowboyusa

King was a hypocritical sex-fiend etcetera but was absolutely correct that we should all be judged on our merits and qualities over our race and pigmentation.

All men (except me) make mistakes and fall short of ideals. That doesn’t discount the good things they do or the good they inadvertently cause to happen by accident.

You, sir, seem to be on a crusade to prove the South’s side of the war was based on the defense of slavery which benefited a very small (8%) of the population there while it WAS inculcated into the culture and the economic framework to a degree where no one thought better - so modern measures of morality and values really do NOT apply to those who went to war defending State and home.

The values of that time especially do not co-relate with the communist DEI crap that the compromised media and school systems have been pushing that goes against all common sense and rationality. Meanwhile those formerly-trusted institutions continue their effort to re-write history to convince sane people to share in their insanity.


113 posted on 12/16/2023 6:15:27 PM PST by MikelTackNailer (When will the traitor hangings commence? I've got knitting to finish.)
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To: HandyDandy
“Are you saying Lincoln wanted to overthrow Slavery, or to expand it? Seems like you are not sure.”

It seems like Lincoln was not sure of what he intended to do with slavery.

You must know that as an attorney Lincoln defended slave owners’ rights to get fugitive slaves back.

Even as late as his first inaugural address Lincoln advocated enforcing fugitive slave laws in the north.

But after Lincoln's skillful use of the U.S. Navy during the Gulf of Tonkin Incident - I mean the Fort Sumter Incident - President Lincoln became belligerent, eventually destroying political and economic opponents in the South using the Sherman-Chivington method.

At Gettysburg Lincoln said the war was not just fought to free the slaves, but claimed the war was fought for the purpose of racial equality. This is quite a contrast to Lincoln's claim in his first inaugural address.

114 posted on 12/16/2023 6:22:06 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: MikelTackNailer

Many in the South felt that the United States needed to be kept united and fought for it. Agreeing that the Confederate Statues stay, these Patriots of the south should be remembered in statue as well: Thomas, Farragut, and all the Southerners who fought for the Union. They are part of the South as well.


115 posted on 12/16/2023 6:29:53 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: Vermont Lt
or flying their silly flag on your truck.

You mean this one?


116 posted on 12/16/2023 6:30:04 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70
Removal of a favorable Confederate memorial is completely in keeping with the original intent of the cemetery in my view.

Your view? Tell us, is it hard to see out of your sphincter?

117 posted on 12/16/2023 6:32:32 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: jeffersondem
It was the SOUTHERN UNIONISTS under Sherman that fought the most ferociously. The are part of the South as well, indeed, if I had been a Southerner at that time, I would have fought for the Union, they carried on the Jacksonian tradition.
118 posted on 12/16/2023 6:33:11 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: central_va

President Trump’s hero Jackson to Calhoun: “ IF you secede from my nation, I will secede your head from your body.”


119 posted on 12/16/2023 6:34:59 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

Change your name to AmericanTaliban.


120 posted on 12/16/2023 6:35:30 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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