Posted on 12/16/2023 9:27:14 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
1/ Within the next several days, barring intervention from Congress, the Biden Regime, in violation of the law, will remove the Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery, commissioned to celebrate the reconciliation of North and South.
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2/ The memorial is considered the masterwork of the renowned Jewish-American sculptor Sir Moses Ezekiel (a former Confederate soldier who was described by his biographer as “adamantly opposed to slavery") who is buried at its base.
3/ Ezekiel, knighted by the King of Italy, was so dedicated to North-South reconciliation that he would later host commanding Union General Ulysses S. Grant at his studio.
4/ Yet in the wake of the George Floyd moral panic, this memorial was scheduled for removal, though its removal is being done in violation of several federal laws and the clear text of the legislation, which excludes graves.
5/ As former Democrat Senator and Navy Secretary Jim Webb said:
“What was it that Union Army veteran McKinley understood about the Confederate soldiers who opposed him on the battlefield that eludes today’s monument smashers and ad hominem destroyers of historical reputations?”
6/ In fact, at the time it was constructed, some major Confederate groups opposed it because they opposed the reconciliation it symbolized.
7/ Webb, a Vietnam Veteran, has spoken about taking groups of North and South Vietnamese to the monument to show how the U.S. reconciled successfully after a bitter civil war
8/ 44 House Republicans have signed a letter opposing the removal but every Republican should be on record as opposing this lawless action
9/ But of course, this is never *really* about the Confederacy or “Confederate Statues”. The same spirit animated the recent removal of the statue of Thomas Jefferson from the New York City Council, where it had stood for 187 years.
They were fighting for the right of their states to rule themselves. What the Founders created was a voluntary union based on consent.
If you want to play that game, then the US was not legitimate since only White Male Landowners over 21 could vote at the time of its founding. It was many many years before a majority of the adult residents could vote....well into the 20th century. Something tells me you would not find the United States illegitimate until about 1919 or so.
“21st-century America would be a dark and backward place wracked with primitive passions and hatreds with”
This is por media’s presentation to us of how Weare
No, they created a Nation.
Rice University is going through something like that now.
The founder, William Marsh Rice, had in the charter for the university to offer free education to the white inhabitants of Houston, and Texas. He had made a lot of his money during the Civil War, importing goods from Mexico. The charter was changed in the 60’s I believe to allow any color student free access to the university. Then, in the 80’s, they started charging tuition.
His remains were in the “Founders Court”, with a statue of him as well.
After the druggie criminal Floyd BS, the students, and of course faculty and board of directors, got all verklempt and have voted to remove him - so they’ve done so. They’re redoing the entire quad now.
/Funny story, when the university voted to start charging tuition, a group of students built an A-frame lift, practicing on lifting a VW Beetle (oh no! Hitler!), and in the dead of night picked up the statue, turned it 180 degrees around so his back was to the admin building Lovett Hall, as the students felt the university was turning its back on his intention.
The university hired and engineering firm (Brown & Root, I believe), to turn it back around, and they bent the foundation rods/pins trying to put him back right.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/11/30/rice-university-founder-statue-remains/
Communists always remove the history of the country they are taking over.
Enforce it. How?
IMO, the South was improved by Northern conquest. The US has been in a constant struggle to improve itself... and has often failed, but has made progress at times... But back to the question I asked you; are you going to answer it?
NOT irrelevant!
Most did not own slaves…….
….and when the war was over, they returned to burned out homes and fields……no food, no way of caring for their families…….many of them wounded
“I’m not for getting rid of the monument, but those soldiers were fighting to rip apart The United States.”
Were they? The civil war was almost fought in the 1830s. You can look up why if you dont know.
State nullification of federal laws deemed unfair or unreasonable was part of the reason. It was not without precedent. It as not an unreasonable view at the time.
So from that perspective they were not ripping the US apart. The matter was settled after the loss of 500,000 American lives.
But you cannot support your thesis that “they were intent on ripping the USA apart”
This is not to quibble over the outcome but for you to state without humility that the South was wrong about the supremacy of States rights (even in regards to the abomination of slavery) when it was a Constitutionally unresolved issue (nullification) is absurd.
In the 1830s, the federal gov’t backed down, as they should have because of the nature of the tariff of abominations, and its blatant regional favoritism.
You cannot (factually) say in the context of today that the South wished to “tear the US apart” when they were exercising a not unreasonable interpretation of the Constitution at the time.
The issue was solved violently. There is no technical argument now. But let there be no mistake, the Americans who were part of the confederacy were Americans before, during, and after the civil war. Even if it took Congress a century to catch up to the obvious.
Ezekiels work was first and foremost about reconciliation. Folks who dont like its symbology are free to point it out, maybe with another monument. But instead they choose to remove (and probably destroy) a great historical work.
So it leaves open the precedent that all monuments, indeed all history is subject to future interpretation to empower an aggrieved collective.
You are acting like an aggrieved collective, empowered by your ignorance of history and your lack of self restraint and creativity to imagine a reasonable response to a monument you hate and a Constitution, and its past manifestations that you can only see through modern eyes.
Americans buried in Arlington on both sides of the civil war would disagree with your view if you could ask them.
Alas this view isnt popular, but as Americans we are (for the moment) free to disagree. Soon though, you and your ilk may well be able to change that, as you are already doing. You dont even know you are part of that cabal. But you are.
Merry Christmas.
I’ve been here a lot longer...I had a different handle...I came here in 2005...
The America I grew up in was in the late ‘50’s and 60’s...
Great country then...
You call me part of the Cabal? Don’t you dare. I’m 100 percent America First, and love the Unitef States next to nothing but GOD. I don’t have a problem with th3 Monument, asit was used for reconciliation. I’M whining. You are whining about a confederacy that no longer exists. It was President Trump’s hero who stood down Secesion in the 1830’s. If he had been President during the Civil War, the War would have been over in mounths. He made rebellious South Carolina stand down. Sherman brought humility to it. All the monuments should stay. One more thing: “ I felt admiration of someone who had fought so hard and given up so much for a cause. Even though I saw that cause as one of the worst ones in history.” Grant on Lee surendering.
No, They created a voluntary union of sovereign states.
IMO, The whole country was made far far worse by the overthrow of the original constitution, the removal of restraints on the power of the federal government and the conversion of the from a voluntary union based on consent to a centralized empire based on force, threats and violence.
back to your question, does consent of the governed include the slaves? Yes it did. It also included Indians and other ethnic minorities and women. None of them could vote either. None of them were asked what they thought either. Yet at the time, the 13 colonies that joined together to create the new Republic were easily the most free societies on earth. That they wouldn't meet current standards to be considered real democratic states now is irrelevant. Nobody else at that time would meet that standard either.
“Sherman brought humility to it.”
Good grief.
Lets just agree to disagree on Sherman, while I am still able to freely disagree with you.
Add this to the list of things to undo when Trump gets back in office.
“He made rebellious South Carolina stand down.”
Yes, he “bravely ran away” and repealed the tariff of abominations.
As any fair-minded leader should have done.
Thats how South Carolina was made to stand down....by accepting their grievance and addressing it through repeal.
The issue of nullification being illegal was again nullified, but nobody pressed the matter at the time (perhaps they should have, and the civil war would have been avoided)
The issue of nullification was left to fester for a few more decades, and was not properly addressed Constitutionally, and even then, it was done by force, instead of by constitutional process.
We will revisit this issue someday. I hope we have the wisdom as a country to address it properly.
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