Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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If (and I say again IF) McKinnon generated THE fake document that "proves" Obama is qualified, would you expect him to say anything but "there is overwhelming evidence" when he forged the evidence?
Not saying he did, and not saying Obama isn't Constitutionally qualified, but trusting a forger to vouch for that stack of brand new $100 bills he's buying your car with seems a little, what's the word? naïve.
Polybius used the word ‘work themselves into a frenzy’.
No this is not a media frenzy. This is however a 1500-response Freeper thread. Frenzy is apropos this thread given the non-factual speculations. It has interest. But it is a definite dead end. See my previous posting. Jay McKinnon, contrary to Israel Insider reports is not ‘admitting’ to forging anything.
And he asserts convincincly on why barack Obama is indeed born in Hawaii. He would have had to *prove* that fact when he got his various passports over the years.
We have a lot better reasons to reject Obama than this phony “he wasnt born in Honolulu” nonsense.
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It's not a federal document. He could have gotten it from a friendly clerk at the Hawaii state office responsible for printing these things up. It's just a form, means nothing until filled in and certified. Might be able to find one in the trash.
That is the moral equivalent of accepting a statement asserting how honest he is from Bill Clinton.”
Sure. Bill Clinton says its raining ... I stick my hand outside and check. I dont know this Jay McKinnon guy from a hole in the wall, but this argument is probably the best door-closer on the whole deal: For Obama to have been born outside the USA, he would have needed a passport TO GET HERE. What do you think would they say on the ‘place of birth’ for that passport? And the current passport records on obama, throughout his whole life, would have to be CONSISTENT with it.
Obama’s consistent use of passports would be a proof point for his claimed place of birth.
Opendna: Is Senator Barack H. Obama a natural born US Citizen?
Jay McKinnon: Beyond a reasonable doubt.
The Senator’s travels as a child and young man required a passport. For over a century, US passports have included a field for place of birth. (Fact) To the best of my recollection, every passport I have ever seen (and they are legion) has included a field for place of birth. In order to enter Indonesia in 1967, young Barack Obama would have required a passport. We know from his kindergarten “essay” that young Barack was aware of his US citizenship while living in Indonesia.
In order to return to the United States in 1971 young Barack would have required a passport. At his entry he would have either been a US Citizen or an Alien. If he was an Alien, he had a State Department-issued visa; if he didn’t have a visa, he was American. Again, we know prior to that date that he believed himself to be an American. Since 1971 Senator Obama has traveled many times on US passports and he now – as a US Senator – travels on an Official passport which carries greater diplomatic weight (and requires greater background scrutiny) than what most American travelers use. By virtue of holding an Official US passport, Senator Obama has better proof of his identify, citizenship and place of birth than upwards of 90% of Americans.
In order to believe that Barack Obama was born anywhere but the United States, we must believe that there is [1] a successful conspiracy (including people now dead for decades) – dating back to the 1960s – to hide his place of birth and defraud the State Department with the sole goal that Senator Obama be allowed to run for president in 2008; or [2] an on-going conspiracy within Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s Department to allow a foreign-born person to run for president. I regard both of these options as rather silly.
In March of 2008, the State Department revealed that employees had been caught looking at Senator Obama’s passport records. In order to believe that Senator Obama is not a natural born US Citizen, we must believe that (1) those caught would rather go to jail than blow the whistle on the State Department’s cover-up; and (2) there are federal ethics investigators who have examined Senator Obama’s records and are now party to the conspiracy. I regard both of these options as very silly.
While it is conceivably possible that Barack Obama is not a natural born US Citizen, I regard the odds as so infinitesimally small as to put the fact of his US-birth beyond a reasonable doubt. I regard the hope that credible evidence establishing foreign birth will be discovered on the internet to be profoundly silly.
You mean that's the only reason someone would want to say they were born in America? Just so they can run for President?
Wow. Just wow.
BTW, my argument is solely about Obama’s place of birth.
Whatever junk it on the internet can be discounted as not helpful evidence one way of the other, since it is a forgable document. Fact is, there is plenty of evidence beyond that indicating Obama’s birthplace as Honolulu.
so, the only difference between your document and the Certificates of Live Birth issued to Jeremy Scott Smith and Patricia Decosta (copies posted on comment #1493 by myself) is that theirs states DATE ACCEPTED BY STATE REGISTRAR and yours and obama's state DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR.
Have you any idea why that might be?
There’s another one too, which is a regular bill, not just a Senate Resolution. However it also doesn’t cover the single parent angle. At least for non military members, since it only deals with children born to members of the US Military, active or reserve.
Yes, if he were born after 9/11.
Back in those benighted times children travelled on their parent's Passports. It's a fact, easily verified by any schmoo with dial-up and a few minutes to fact check.
He had a perfectly valid Passport to get here. His mom's.
The embossed seal on mine is so faint, you can hardly see it, but it’s there if you see it in person and look for it.
noticed that...
Jeholyfrijoles! Are you saying all fifty states would have to certify Obama as eligible to run for POTUS?!?!
I meant, all 57 states, of course.
“Just so they can run for President?
Wow. Just wow.”
That’s pretty what the flawed conspiracy theory amounts to.
Obama’s passports for many years had Honolulu as place of birth, and this must have been ‘faked’ from the get go, a practical impossibility since how do you smuggle a baby into the US? This has been going on for 44 years or more for no other reason than to allow Obama to be President in 2008.
“You mean that’s the only reason someone would want to say they were born in America? “
I think the normal reason people say such a thing is BECAUSE IT IS THE TRUTH! Null and void, get your head of the whatever-its-in for mo’, and think about the two theories:
1. Crazy conspiracy theory that 18 yearold Mom took an expensive flight out of hawaii to have her kid in a 3rd world country; but after doing this, it became a dark secrety. Obama’s got for 44 year fake passports and a bio fabricated wrt where he was born.
2. The simple truth, he was born in Hawaii, where his Mom and Dad met, like he says and like his passports say.
Time to shave with Occam’s razor.
The point is they are at least willing to show us that. To this day Obama refuses to disclose that all important number. Why...?? He's running for the most important public office in the world. We need proof.
After watching Medina Benjamin's goons infiltrate and disrupt that ceremony with the President (which had been planned well in advance), right under the noses of the Secret Service, I'm not sure what to think. What if they had been some sort of terrorist cells...?? I mean, WTF...??
People who need to been on top of things are asleep at the switch.
I hope CoS Bolton starts kicking some serious ass. God knows, those pathetic post-menopausal women from Code Pink aren't exactly elite forces of Task Force 21 or the British SAS.
No those are not the only differences. The DeCosta BC looks very different than mine, have not looked at the other. The DeCosta border and print, plus some words are different like “accepted” versus “filed.”
Do YOU, Fred Nerks, know who Ms. DeCosta is? You must, because you believe her and/or the document supplied on her behalf without question.
Uhhmm... the Chicago Razor might have a toe or two up on Occam’s Razor.
Didn't I read somewhere where Jay McKinnon said his handle was "opendna"? If this is so then he was talking with himself.
“Yes, if he were born after 9/11.
Back in those benighted times children travelled on their parent’s Passports. It’s a fact, easily verified by any schmoo with dial-up and a few minutes to fact check.”
Why do people keep making UP CR*P to fill in for the cr*p that was just refuted?!@??!
I too lived and travelled overseas in the 1970s as a child. I HAD MY OWN PASSPORT. I know, I just check my documents drawers and there it is still, a ‘bicentennial’ version. I’ve gone through 4 other passports since.
So did Obama, surely. To get to/from Indonesia, to go to Kenya, to visit Pakistan, etc.
And you further miss the point: That passport has a ‘place of birth’. that ‘place of birth’ requires a valid birth certificate, a real one, not a jpeg on the internet. Obama supplied one. Where do you think it said he was born? it said “HONOLULU Hawaii”, dont you think? Why wouldnt it? Now how did he get such a birth certificate?
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