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To: WOSG
That is the moral equivalent of accepting a statement asserting how honest he is from Bill Clinton.

If (and I say again IF) McKinnon generated THE fake document that "proves" Obama is qualified, would you expect him to say anything but "there is overwhelming evidence" when he forged the evidence?

Not saying he did, and not saying Obama isn't Constitutionally qualified, but trusting a forger to vouch for that stack of brand new $100 bills he's buying your car with seems a little, what's the word? naïve.

1,521 posted on 07/05/2008 9:20:54 PM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void

That is the moral equivalent of accepting a statement asserting how honest he is from Bill Clinton.”

Sure. Bill Clinton says its raining ... I stick my hand outside and check. I dont know this Jay McKinnon guy from a hole in the wall, but this argument is probably the best door-closer on the whole deal: For Obama to have been born outside the USA, he would have needed a passport TO GET HERE. What do you think would they say on the ‘place of birth’ for that passport? And the current passport records on obama, throughout his whole life, would have to be CONSISTENT with it.

Obama’s consistent use of passports would be a proof point for his claimed place of birth.


Opendna: Is Senator Barack H. Obama a natural born US Citizen?

Jay McKinnon: Beyond a reasonable doubt.

The Senator’s travels as a child and young man required a passport. For over a century, US passports have included a field for place of birth. (Fact) To the best of my recollection, every passport I have ever seen (and they are legion) has included a field for place of birth. In order to enter Indonesia in 1967, young Barack Obama would have required a passport. We know from his kindergarten “essay” that young Barack was aware of his US citizenship while living in Indonesia.

In order to return to the United States in 1971 young Barack would have required a passport. At his entry he would have either been a US Citizen or an Alien. If he was an Alien, he had a State Department-issued visa; if he didn’t have a visa, he was American. Again, we know prior to that date that he believed himself to be an American. Since 1971 Senator Obama has traveled many times on US passports and he now – as a US Senator – travels on an Official passport which carries greater diplomatic weight (and requires greater background scrutiny) than what most American travelers use. By virtue of holding an Official US passport, Senator Obama has better proof of his identify, citizenship and place of birth than upwards of 90% of Americans.

In order to believe that Barack Obama was born anywhere but the United States, we must believe that there is [1] a successful conspiracy (including people now dead for decades) – dating back to the 1960s – to hide his place of birth and defraud the State Department with the sole goal that Senator Obama be allowed to run for president in 2008; or [2] an on-going conspiracy within Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s Department to allow a foreign-born person to run for president. I regard both of these options as rather silly.

In March of 2008, the State Department revealed that employees had been caught looking at Senator Obama’s passport records. In order to believe that Senator Obama is not a natural born US Citizen, we must believe that (1) those caught would rather go to jail than blow the whistle on the State Department’s cover-up; and (2) there are federal ethics investigators who have examined Senator Obama’s records and are now party to the conspiracy. I regard both of these options as very silly.

While it is conceivably possible that Barack Obama is not a natural born US Citizen, I regard the odds as so infinitesimally small as to put the fact of his US-birth beyond a reasonable doubt. I regard the hope that credible evidence establishing foreign birth will be discovered on the internet to be profoundly silly.


1,524 posted on 07/05/2008 9:24:49 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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BTW, my argument is solely about Obama’s place of birth.
Whatever junk it on the internet can be discounted as not helpful evidence one way of the other, since it is a forgable document. Fact is, there is plenty of evidence beyond that indicating Obama’s birthplace as Honolulu.


1,526 posted on 07/05/2008 9:28:10 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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