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World's oldest map of the stars that was lost for 2,000 years is FOUND
MailOnline US ^ | October 19th 2022 | Stacy Liberatore

Posted on 10/20/2022 11:58:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

...The manuscript originated from the Greek Orthodox St Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt, but most of its 146 foils are now owned by the Museum of the Bible in Washington DC, Nature reports.

...the Codex Climaci Rescriptus is palimpsest, which is a parchment that was scraped clean of older text by the scribe so that it could be reused - technique to save paper...

The astronomical information describes star-origin myths by Eratosthenes and parts of a famous third-century-BC poem called Phaenomena that was written by Aratus of Soli and also highlights constellations.

Peter Williams, a biblical expert and lecturer on Hebrew language at the University of Cambridge and a co-author of the new study, was analyzing the foils during COVID lockdown when he came upon text that appeared to describe star coordinates.

Excited by the find, he contacted science historian Victor Gysembergh at CNRS in Paris, who translated the passage to find it state the longitude and latitude coordinations of the constellation Corona Borealis, along with coordinates for the stars to the north, south, east and west of it.

Gysembergh was sure it was the long-last map when he saw the idiosyncratic way in which some of the data are expressed and the precision of the measurements that matched with star placement 2,000 years ago.

Gysembergh and his colleagues used the data they discovered to confirm that coordinates for three other star constellations (Ursa Major, Ursa Minor and Draco), in a separate Medieval Latin manuscript known as the Aratus Latinus, must also come directly from Hipparchus...

Because telescopes were not yet in existence, Gysembergh proposed the ancient Greek astronomer likely used a sighting tube that would have taken 'countless hours of work.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: aliens; astronomy; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; hipparchus; mfl; palimpsest; science
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Subtitle: Ancient Greek astronomer Hipparchus' catalog is discovered hiding under writings on ancient parchment that had been scraped off and reused for centuries
Ancient Greek astronomer Hipparchus' long-lost map of the stars has been found hidden under writings on a parchment that was reused for centuries
Ancient Greek astronomer Hipparchus' long-lost map of the stars has been found hidden under writings on a parchment that was reused for centuries



1 posted on 10/20/2022 11:58:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
Thanks vladimir998 and algore for the link!

2 posted on 10/21/2022 12:00:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
More recent and local versions are available


3 posted on 10/21/2022 12:13:34 AM PDT by xp38
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To: xp38

I like pictures.


4 posted on 10/21/2022 12:20:05 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Some men want to see the world burn. It is they that want you to buy an electric car.)
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To: Jonty30

Yeah, they’re party.


5 posted on 10/21/2022 12:46:13 AM PDT by FreeperCell
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To: SunkenCiv

I see a cyclops smiley face in there.


6 posted on 10/21/2022 2:44:17 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (/s)
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To: SunkenCiv

I sincerely doubt that they knew what they had there.


7 posted on 10/21/2022 3:13:16 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hollywood was around 2000 years ago? Who knew? :-)


8 posted on 10/21/2022 3:40:27 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: SunkenCiv

For more detail on crystal lenses used by people as far back as the Old Kingdom Egypt, see “The Crystal Sun” by Robert Temple (deceased).

Most lenses are classified as “jewelry” and hidden in displays of such or are in museum basements. Many of they have dioptre measurements and were used as eyeglasses, others as lenses in tubes, ie telescopes.

Blurb:
https://www.robert-temple.com/crystalSunMain.html

Book from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Sun-Robert-Temple/dp/0099256797/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2KNHUH5YH1BAN&keywords=the+crystal+sun&qid=1666351513&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjYwIiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=the+crystal+sun%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-1


9 posted on 10/21/2022 4:29:08 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: SunkenCiv

All I’ve got to say is: the manufacture of ancient parchment must have been pretty darn good to keep Hipparchus’ astronomical data legible after being written over for centuries.

Kind of reminds me of modern computers. You can delete a document on a PC, but that only means somebody changed the the file extension. The document is there, unless it was truly written over — or cleaned as Hillary puts it.

And likewise, in this ancient text, the entire document was not available, only the data from one constellation was retrieved.

Has man progressed or gone backward since this Ancient Greek astronomer’s time on Earth? Inquiring minds want to know :- )


10 posted on 10/21/2022 4:59:39 AM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: poconopundit

Ecclesiastes 1:9
New International Version

What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.


11 posted on 10/21/2022 5:34:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: SunkenCiv

Codex Climaci Rescriptus..........................CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!


12 posted on 10/21/2022 5:36:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: SunkenCiv
Excited by the find, he contacted science historian Victor Gysembergh at CNRS in Paris, who translated the passage to find it state the longitude and latitude coordinations of the constellation Corona Borealis, along with coordinates for the stars to the north, south, east and west of it.

Gee, that works..... ONLY IF YOU BELIEVE THE WORLD IS ROUND!..............

13 posted on 10/21/2022 5:41:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: SunkenCiv

Could this be the same Aratus of Soli that writes for the Washington Post?


14 posted on 10/21/2022 5:43:23 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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To: SunkenCiv

“it state the longitude and latitude coordinations...”

Longitude and latitude? 2000 years ago? How’d they do that?


15 posted on 10/21/2022 6:01:51 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (c)
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To: Red Badger

Good one, Red Badger.

Maybe that passage is what President Truman was thinking about when he said:

“The only new in the world is the history you don’t know.”


16 posted on 10/21/2022 6:04:35 AM PDT by poconopundit (Hard oak fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh the Shillelagh we salute your work!)
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To: Red Badger
They did.

In fact they knew it.

Some where around 200BC for sure and probably before. They had even figured out how big it was. Their calculations were close enough for government work.

17 posted on 10/21/2022 6:13:28 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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To: PIF

Thanks PIF.


18 posted on 10/21/2022 6:51:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: poconopundit

https://freerepublic.com/tag/palimpsest/index


19 posted on 10/21/2022 6:54:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Red Badger; KrisKrinkle
The irregular English suggests the writer of the piece operates under ESL.

As HTB notes, the spherical structure of the Earth and Moon was understood by Aristotle's time, and before the middle of the 3rd c BC, Eratosthenes, devised and conducted an experiment to calculate the circumference of the Earth (25,000 miles, a bit higher than the actual figure).

20 posted on 10/21/2022 7:06:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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