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Time May Not Exist at All, According to Physics
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | April 25, 2022 | SAM BARON

Posted on 04/25/2022 7:54:20 AM PDT by Red Badger

Does time exist? The answer to this question may seem obvious: Of course it does! Just look at a calendar or a clock.

But developments in physics suggest the non-existence of time is an open possibility, and one that we should take seriously.

How can that be, and what would it mean? It'll take a little while to explain, but don't worry: Even if time doesn't exist, our lives will go on as usual.

A crisis in physics Physics is in crisis. For the past century or so, we have explained the Universe with two wildly successful physical theories: general relativity and quantum mechanics.

Quantum mechanics describes how things work in the incredibly tiny world of particles and particle interactions. General relativity describes the big picture of gravity and how objects move.

Both theories work extremely well in their own right, but the two are thought to conflict with one another. Though the exact nature of the conflict is controversial, scientists generally agree both theories need to be replaced with a new, more general theory.

Physicists want to produce a theory of "quantum gravity" that replaces general relativity and quantum mechanics, while capturing the extraordinary success of both. Such a theory would explain how gravity's big picture works at the miniature scale of particles.

Time in quantum gravity It turns out that producing a theory of quantum gravity is extraordinarily difficult.

One attempt to overcome the conflict between the two theories is string theory. String theory replaces particles with strings vibrating in as many as 11 dimensions.

However, string theory faces a further difficulty. String theories provide a range of models that describe a Universe broadly like our own, and they don't really make any clear predictions that can be tested by experiments to figure out which model is the right one.

In the 1980s and 1990s, many physicists became dissatisfied with string theory and came up with a range of new mathematical approaches to quantum gravity.

One of the most prominent of these is loop quantum gravity, which proposes that the fabric of space and time is made of a network of extremely small discrete chunks, or "loops".

One of the remarkable aspects of loop quantum gravity is that it appears to eliminate time entirely.

Loop quantum gravity is not alone in abolishing time: A number of other approaches also seem to remove time as a fundamental aspect of reality.

Emergent time So we know we need a new physical theory to explain the Universe, and that this theory might not feature time.

Suppose such a theory turns out to be correct. Would it follow that time does not exist?

It's complicated, and it depends what we mean by exist.

Theories of physics don't include any tables, chairs, or people, and yet we still accept that tables, chairs, and people exist.

Why? Because we assume that such things exist at a higher level than the level described by physics.

We say that tables, for example, "emerge" from an underlying physics of particles whizzing around the Universe.

But while we have a pretty good sense of how a table might be made out of fundamental particles, we have no idea how time might be "made out of" something more fundamental.

So unless we can come up with a good account of how time emerges, it is not clear we can simply assume time exists.

Time might not exist at any level.

Time and agency Saying that time does not exist at any level is like saying that there are no tables at all.

Trying to get by in a world without tables might be tough, but managing in a world without time seems positively disastrous.

Our entire lives are built around time. We plan for the future, in light of what we know about the past. We hold people morally accountable for their past actions, with an eye to reprimanding them later on.

We believe ourselves to be agents (entities that can do things) in part because we can plan to act in a way that will bring about changes in the future.

But what's the point of acting to bring about a change in the future when, in a very real sense, there is no future to act for?

What's the point of punishing someone for a past action, when there is no past and so, apparently, no such action?

The discovery that time does not exist would seem to bring the entire world to a grinding halt. We would have no reason to get out of bed.

Business as usual There is a way out of the mess.

While physics might eliminate time, it seems to leave causation intact: the sense in which one thing can bring about another.

Perhaps what physics is telling us, then, is that causation and not time is the basic feature of our Universe.

If that's right, then agency can still survive. For it is possible to reconstruct a sense of agency entirely in causal terms.

At least, that's what Kristie Miller, Jonathan Tallant, and I argue in our new book.

We suggest the discovery that time does not exist may have no direct impact on our lives, even while it propels physics into a new era. Sam Baron, Associate professor, Australian Catholic University.


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: astronomy; faithandphilosophy; loopquantumgravity; physics; relativity; science; stringtheory
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To: Leaning Right
But I miss the days when physicists mainly investigated practical things, like voltage differences and bond strengths.

Voltage differences are the source of all energy and bond strengths are the source of all material matter. There are very few 'scientists' left among the human population.

81 posted on 04/25/2022 8:41:17 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my taglin e on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Red Badger

The came to this conclusion after studying photos and footage of George Soros and determining that he won’t ever die due to being sustained by pure evil. Since it can be overriden by simple forces of hatred and evil, time is thus meaningless.


82 posted on 04/25/2022 8:42:31 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: Red Badger

Without time events do not occur IN the Universe God Created.


83 posted on 04/25/2022 8:42:35 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Bob434

That’s probably what he thought. My Dad was so cheap he considered the money he spent on food a loan...when I was 6. He did me a favor and didn’t charge me interest as long as I pulled dandelions from the yard all day!!


84 posted on 04/25/2022 8:42:43 AM PDT by gr8eman (All is incomprehensible, but nothing is unintelligible; Victor Hugo)
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To: DannyTN

85 posted on 04/25/2022 8:42:49 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

“I’m so smart I know that time does not exist.” Meanwhile he sets his clock so he isn’t late for work.


86 posted on 04/25/2022 8:44:20 AM PDT by marron
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To: Red Badger

Classic. And in a sense she is breaking the theoretical physics down into something very practical. If your home is on fire just get out “Ain’t nobody got time for that”.


87 posted on 04/25/2022 8:44:43 AM PDT by freefdny
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To: Larry Lucido

“Except he could have likely have found any number of places that sold high resolution reading glasses and borrowed a pair or two.”

Yeah, but it would have ruined the story.


88 posted on 04/25/2022 8:45:18 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: redangus
Time as proscribed by clocks and calendars is a human construct

Constructed around the natural world of days, seasons and years even if different cultures did things a little different. Animals also live by days, seasons and years and don't need clocks and calendars to know what time it is. I haven't used an alarm clock much in my life and can't stand DLS. I wake up shortly before dawn regardless of what time it is.

89 posted on 04/25/2022 8:46:32 AM PDT by Pollard (Who stole my tagline?)
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To: Red Badger

So if I get heavier, time will slow down 😜 A retirement goal I can accomplish.


90 posted on 04/25/2022 8:47:52 AM PDT by M_Continuum
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To: DannyTN

91 posted on 04/25/2022 8:47:52 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

The discussion of the article is not science, it is science fiction.

Human experience as we know and experience it is neither the same nor at the same level of quantum elements. Maybe to such elements “there is no time”, but to humans, as humans, there will always be time.


92 posted on 04/25/2022 8:48:53 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Red Badger

“Even if time doesn’t exist, our lives will go on as usual.”

The author felt the need to tell thus to his readers.


93 posted on 04/25/2022 8:49:13 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Red Badger

I think it’s called eternity.


94 posted on 04/25/2022 8:54:05 AM PDT by livius
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To: Red Badger

Bookmark for when I have time to read this.....


95 posted on 04/25/2022 8:55:09 AM PDT by Donkey Odious ( Adapt, improvise, and overcome - now a motto for us all.)
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To: Red Badger

If there’s no such thing as ‘time,’ then HOW does my dog know to start pestering me around 4:30 pm each day because it’s ‘time’ for his supper?

Ha! Refute THAT data, all you smart science-types! *SNORT*


96 posted on 04/25/2022 8:55:19 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: Red Badger

Everything you perceive happened in the past.


97 posted on 04/25/2022 8:55:29 AM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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To: Leaning Right
But I miss the days when physicists mainly investigated practical things, like voltage differences and bond strengths.

As an aside, I'd love to find a book on the history of Bell Labs. As the story was told to me, Bell Telephone had a deal with the government that they wouldn't be broken up as a trust but they had to invest a significant portion of their profits into research and development. That translated into massive budgets for Bell Labs and an attitude of 'do whatever you want, we have to spend all this dough'. Yes they did things like look into how to make switches work better but a lot of fundamental basic research.

A lot of people know they came up with the transistor (and what has shaped society more than that?) But they did a lot of other things too. For example they were the first to demonstrate the wave nature of electrons, they invented the concept of radio astronomy, the foundations of digital signal sampling / encoding / processing, physics of materials, so much more. Overall to date NINE Nobel prizes in Physics or Chemistry came from this corporate lab. They produced a unique combination of totally practical yet revolutionary engineering innovations and leading edge physics and chemistry discoveries.

But eventually Bell telephone did get broken up and the lab, which still exists, isn't quite as 'anything is up for study, money is no object' is used to be. But they literally changed the world over and over and over.

98 posted on 04/25/2022 8:59:14 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: Red Badger

Tinm to cross the line from later on to way back when..


99 posted on 04/25/2022 8:59:52 AM PDT by sonova (That's what I always say sometimes.)
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To: Bob434

Which always wins


100 posted on 04/25/2022 8:59:59 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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