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Time May Not Exist at All, According to Physics
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | April 25, 2022 | SAM BARON

Posted on 04/25/2022 7:54:20 AM PDT by Red Badger

Does time exist? The answer to this question may seem obvious: Of course it does! Just look at a calendar or a clock.

But developments in physics suggest the non-existence of time is an open possibility, and one that we should take seriously.

How can that be, and what would it mean? It'll take a little while to explain, but don't worry: Even if time doesn't exist, our lives will go on as usual.

A crisis in physics Physics is in crisis. For the past century or so, we have explained the Universe with two wildly successful physical theories: general relativity and quantum mechanics.

Quantum mechanics describes how things work in the incredibly tiny world of particles and particle interactions. General relativity describes the big picture of gravity and how objects move.

Both theories work extremely well in their own right, but the two are thought to conflict with one another. Though the exact nature of the conflict is controversial, scientists generally agree both theories need to be replaced with a new, more general theory.

Physicists want to produce a theory of "quantum gravity" that replaces general relativity and quantum mechanics, while capturing the extraordinary success of both. Such a theory would explain how gravity's big picture works at the miniature scale of particles.

Time in quantum gravity It turns out that producing a theory of quantum gravity is extraordinarily difficult.

One attempt to overcome the conflict between the two theories is string theory. String theory replaces particles with strings vibrating in as many as 11 dimensions.

However, string theory faces a further difficulty. String theories provide a range of models that describe a Universe broadly like our own, and they don't really make any clear predictions that can be tested by experiments to figure out which model is the right one.

In the 1980s and 1990s, many physicists became dissatisfied with string theory and came up with a range of new mathematical approaches to quantum gravity.

One of the most prominent of these is loop quantum gravity, which proposes that the fabric of space and time is made of a network of extremely small discrete chunks, or "loops".

One of the remarkable aspects of loop quantum gravity is that it appears to eliminate time entirely.

Loop quantum gravity is not alone in abolishing time: A number of other approaches also seem to remove time as a fundamental aspect of reality.

Emergent time So we know we need a new physical theory to explain the Universe, and that this theory might not feature time.

Suppose such a theory turns out to be correct. Would it follow that time does not exist?

It's complicated, and it depends what we mean by exist.

Theories of physics don't include any tables, chairs, or people, and yet we still accept that tables, chairs, and people exist.

Why? Because we assume that such things exist at a higher level than the level described by physics.

We say that tables, for example, "emerge" from an underlying physics of particles whizzing around the Universe.

But while we have a pretty good sense of how a table might be made out of fundamental particles, we have no idea how time might be "made out of" something more fundamental.

So unless we can come up with a good account of how time emerges, it is not clear we can simply assume time exists.

Time might not exist at any level.

Time and agency Saying that time does not exist at any level is like saying that there are no tables at all.

Trying to get by in a world without tables might be tough, but managing in a world without time seems positively disastrous.

Our entire lives are built around time. We plan for the future, in light of what we know about the past. We hold people morally accountable for their past actions, with an eye to reprimanding them later on.

We believe ourselves to be agents (entities that can do things) in part because we can plan to act in a way that will bring about changes in the future.

But what's the point of acting to bring about a change in the future when, in a very real sense, there is no future to act for?

What's the point of punishing someone for a past action, when there is no past and so, apparently, no such action?

The discovery that time does not exist would seem to bring the entire world to a grinding halt. We would have no reason to get out of bed.

Business as usual There is a way out of the mess.

While physics might eliminate time, it seems to leave causation intact: the sense in which one thing can bring about another.

Perhaps what physics is telling us, then, is that causation and not time is the basic feature of our Universe.

If that's right, then agency can still survive. For it is possible to reconstruct a sense of agency entirely in causal terms.

At least, that's what Kristie Miller, Jonathan Tallant, and I argue in our new book.

We suggest the discovery that time does not exist may have no direct impact on our lives, even while it propels physics into a new era. Sam Baron, Associate professor, Australian Catholic University.


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: astronomy; faithandphilosophy; loopquantumgravity; physics; relativity; science; stringtheory
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To: Red Badger
Time existed when I was a kid--my parents had a subscription for a while. But I don't know if it is still published apart from picking their "Person of the Year."
21 posted on 04/25/2022 8:06:59 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: DannyTN

22 posted on 04/25/2022 8:07:05 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

Days, seasons, years, aging, all happen without a clock or calendar. Yes, time exists.


23 posted on 04/25/2022 8:07:15 AM PDT by Pollard (Who stole my tagline?)
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To: Red Badger

24 posted on 04/25/2022 8:07:46 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: larrytown

It’s the differential between the frequency of consciousness and the frequency of the level of reality being viewed.

When the two approach the same frequency, time stands still.

And then it’s time to tune into a new reality, like Heaven.


25 posted on 04/25/2022 8:08:30 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Red Badger

I have a son who doesn’t seem to know time exists.


26 posted on 04/25/2022 8:08:31 AM PDT by I-ambush (We watched the moment of defeat, played back over on the video screen. )
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To: Red Badger

No room for old school Newtonians?


27 posted on 04/25/2022 8:08:41 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (“...we would live very well without Facebook."-B.LeMaire)
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To: Red Badger
This kind of stupidity is what I expect from a mouth-breather who published a piece entitled Biden’s pivot to science is welcome — Trump only listened to experts when it suited him.

Resemblance?


28 posted on 04/25/2022 8:08:57 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: Red Badger

It’s just future turning into the past.


29 posted on 04/25/2022 8:09:17 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Cboldt

I remember when I was a kid I tried to explain to my Dad that if I left Earth on a ship and came back Earth years later, you wouldn’t be able to tell how old I was. He scratched his head and gave me a weird look!


30 posted on 04/25/2022 8:09:27 AM PDT by gr8eman (All is incomprehensible, but nothing is unintelligible; Victor Hugo)
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To: DannyTN

Yeah, time is on my side, yes it is
Time is on my side, yes it is
You’re searching for good times
But just wait and see

Time has come today
Young hearts can go their way
Can’t put it off another day
I don’t care what others say
They say we don’t listen anyway
Time has come today

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over, thought I’d something more to say


31 posted on 04/25/2022 8:09:38 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: Red Badger
Time would STOP with enough gravity......................

Heavy, man.
32 posted on 04/25/2022 8:09:53 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (“...we would live very well without Facebook."-B.LeMaire)
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To: Red Badger

Tell that to me joints that crackle every morning


33 posted on 04/25/2022 8:09:53 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Red Badger

Time may very well be a human intervention that’s somewhat arbitrary, but indispensable for so many of our human-based activities. Clearly, even in physics, there is the concept of progression, with one event happening before or after another event.


34 posted on 04/25/2022 8:09:58 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Red Badger

Mental masturbation.


35 posted on 04/25/2022 8:12:19 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Red Badger

The most interesting thing is the graphic with the clockface. I can’t figure out how they created it.


36 posted on 04/25/2022 8:13:22 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (11/3-11/4/2020 - The USA became a banana republic.)
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To: Red Badger

Time is just a measure of entropy(disorder). Time ‘moves’ in the direction of increasing entropy and since entropy moves in only one direction (increase) time also moves in one direction — to the future. If the whole universe, every single molecule, came to a standstill time would have no meaning.


37 posted on 04/25/2022 8:13:40 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: DEPcom
Your wife who passed many years ago will arrive at the same time as you do.

Not likely.

If your wife isn't late, the universe is out-of-balance.

38 posted on 04/25/2022 8:14:15 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Red Badger

Time is a function in this created physical world with spinning planets and such, but God transcends this world and its functions. Every now and then scientists, physicists, mathematicians, etc. catch a glimpse of His eternal, transcendent nature. It’s fascinating how limited we are by comparison.


39 posted on 04/25/2022 8:14:36 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: All

Time is the period from now until maximum entropy is reached.


40 posted on 04/25/2022 8:14:39 AM PDT by bennowens
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