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Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys
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Yep.... I suspect it will split those of us remaining on this thread even more...
I want the baby off with Larry and the inquest to start post-haste.
Anna Nicole Smith’s baby is leaving the Bahamas
It looks Larry Birkhead is heading back to California with the daughter he fathered with Anna Nicole Smith as early as Wednesday.
Access Hollywood is reporting that Dannielynn Hope Marshall Stern Birkhead will leave the compound where she has been living with Howard K. Stern since Smith’s death in early February.
Anna Nicole’s estranged mother Virgie Arthur is still challenging Birkhead’s drive for full custody. Arthur wants full custody of Dannielynn if anything ever happens to Larry, and she evidently wants to be a co-administrator for Anna Nicole’s estate. That estate could be worth millions and millions of dollars if the money that Smith was fighting for is passed down from her late husband, J. Howard Marshall million dollar inheritance.
Access Hollywood says they’ll have an exclusive interview with Birkhead later this week.
http://gaysocialites.com/2007/04/anna_nicole_smiths_baby_is_lea.html
I did feel sorry for him, up to a point, saw him as being in love with Anna but willing to put up with her through thick and thin and being loyal to her, regardless of how she acted or what she said. I’ve never seen him as a strong, controlling man. Weak and wimpy, yes. I simply differ from you in that it hasn’t yet been proven to me he’s a sociopath or psychopath who planned to off 2 people that I think he honestly cared a great deal about. Anna was his career and his life and he defended her to his great detriment, and probably couldn’t see the forest for the trees. I neither like nor dislike him, yet.
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Look up the term “Passive Aggressive”. You’ll learn about the world you live in and quite possibly save yourself the trouble of being screwed over in your niave state.
I have had experience with a person of this type. He ADORED ME, he supposedly would do anything for me. But yeah, I learned the hard way how vindictive those types can be.
That’s why I don’t believe a “stranger” paid the taxes for the corp. I believe HKS had someone pay the taxes on his behalf, and he has access to any monies associated with that corp.
I took a few psych classes in years gone by. Naive isn’t a word that anyone who know me would ever use, lol! That, I’m not and thankfully have never had anyone in my life for long who may have acted like the fellow in your life did. I don’t let anyone screw me over:) Husband is basically an all-around good guy. But see, your own experience, like mine, affects your perceptions of others. It’s how we all work. And, I cannot say your perception of Howard is wrong, either. You might turn out to be right. Or, I might be right and you wrong, or someone else might be right. I don’t feel as if I really know these people at all well enough to make definitive conclusions. Sometimes we can, but sometimes we can’t.
At first I thought, and still do, that Anna and/or Howard supplied one or more of the drugs found in Daniel, especially the methadone, either accidentally or terribly naively. I do believe Anna felt a lot of guilt, but until we know more from the inquest, I’m still going with it as a tragic accident. A stupid accident. After hearing some of the things we have heard that Daniel may have been dabbling on his own, I can’t rule that out, either.
No, I don’t think Don Hogan was railroaded. Seems he wasn’t such a great husband/father/man in his younger years and Virgie trying to keep Anna away from him could also have further hurt their own relationship.
I tend to think that, too. Thanks for the video link! I haven’t been able to view it yet as computer says I need to download new software:(
To use the MSN Video you need to install the free software found here:
http://video.msn.com/v/us/req.aspx?r=4&hf=1&h=
In the video, the reporter says Virgie wants 3 things: 1)guardianship, 2) guaranteed visitation, and 3) a custodial role in any future inheritance Dannielynn might receive.
I found several different descriptions of guardianship, and they didn't specify exactly what Virgie wanted. If she is asking for guaranteed visitation, it doesn't sound to me that she is asking for full custody. Seeking a 'custodial role' over possible future inheritance does not necessarily mean she is seeking the money for personal gain. I believe you posted that you heard/read that she didn't want a 'cut of the money'. I think she may be trying to find a way to keep HKS from manipulating LB into letting him control the estate and earnings. I don't know what's really going on, but I do know I don't trust HKS, and I do not feel sorry for him. He sure as hell didn't feel sorry for anyone that stood in his way to CONTROL everything he could - until the Courts could not deny LB was the biological father. After that, he had no choice but to try to butter up LB. Unfortunately, it appears his conniving and manipulating is working on LB. Some say LB needs to play along with HKS, but I think he's gone overboard to a degree.
I've wondered what LB meant by saying he might be leaving with 2 reserved seats Wednesday or one. HKS can't leave the Bahamas until after the inquest into Daniel's death, can he?
Remember when Dr. E tried to get Kapoor and Key Pharm to fill scripts for her laundry list of meds, and I think it was Key Pharm referred her to an addiction specialist, and it sounded as if either Dr. E called that person or that person called her to tell her Anna needed rehab instead of those drugs? I wonder if Dr. E or Stern looked up and contacted this Dr. Barrett AFTER that phone call?
I think Virgie is exactly right. I think LB has been smooth talked by HKS and is listening to him instead of to Virgie, the baby’s grandmother. It’s a shame. Until Larry gets the baby AWAY from Stern he is dependent on Stern’s “good will” and probably doesn’t want to rock that boat. And he probably has NO stomach for staying for the inquest and/or pursuing any investigation into Danny’s or Anna’s deaths.
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Well, until Virgie gets her fingers out of this, Larry has to kiss HKS’s butt! How dare that woman demand control of Larry’s child’s money!!! I was a huge Virgie supporter until yesterday. Everyone can say all they want that HKS is twisting what he wants people to believe, but that MSNBC says that she admits that she wants control of the money. This is not just demanding to see her granddaughter! She wants partial custody. BALONEY!! If my ex-husband’s mother demanded partial custody of my children because her son died I would tell her to jump in a lake, just like LB should (and is) do.
Rats. I’d thought I’d seen his name there. Yup, it’s hurry up and wait.
Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I am not a doctor but have a lot of experience reading medical reports. I went back just now and reread the autopsy report pertaining to this question. Anna wouldn’t have died from the level of anti-anxiety drugs plus the anti-convulsant (Topamax, also prescribed BTW for bipolar d/o as a mood stabilizer), etc. When you think of what a big girl she was, she could handle more than most people.
However, the toxicologist made the point that on an empty stomach, chloral hydrate is very irritating to the stomach and causes nausea, vomiting etc. She was not eating much according to the people around her, so this could explain her vomiting and being completely disoriented (found in the empty bathtub) and maybe dehydrated. The toxicologist thought she had only been taking chloral hydrate for a matter of days, rather than chronically (based on chemical analysis). The last dose was within 3 hours of her death, I think he said. He said her last dose of Methadone was 3 days prior to her death.
Anna’s death was caused by large amounts of chloral hydrate which kept accumulating over a few days in her system. The levels were highly toxic. Whether the other drugs also contributed to her death, well, the toxicologist says so. If nothing else, she passed into a sound sleep that she never woke from probably.
IMO, though the coroner disagrees based on his analysis of murder vs suicide vs accident, this was a kind of murder. Whoever decided to leave a bottle of chloral hydrate for Anna to swig from was the murderer. She was too doped up to exercise any judgement about dose levels. She should have been hospitalized because of the abscess, lack of food, possible dehydration from vomiting, etc. Instead, HKS decided to leave her in a filthy hotel room to die. Whether he wanted to murder her or not doesn’t matter. He treated her like human sewage, kept alive to enable him to have the privilege her name brought him.
The only person on earth who really cares about any of this is Anna’s mother. And if she were my child, I would be Dirty Harry on steroids before I let these people get away with her death, profit from her death or have any control over my granddaughter.
Sometimes we can, but sometimes we can’t.
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And you say tomato and I say tomahto, HA!
Seriously, I guess we will all see soon.
Forgot if I answered this or not, but saw another post that could be an answer re: Dr. E prescribing when they had Dr. Barrett. Maybe he couldn’t. Maybe they were working on a treatment plan for Anna, maybe they weren’t. At least, I’m glad to know somebody there contacted him and it appears he did see Anna.
That’s one thing I don’t understand. Everyone (the media) is acting like he is just a stand up guy for not giving LB any trouble in being with his daughter, well, did he have a choice?!?! I mean after it was out that LB was her dad, how would it have made him look to still keep him from her?? BUT, what about all those months of doing everything in his power to prevent the DNA in the first place? And going on international TV and claiming to be her father? Does LB have that short of a memory or is he do grateful for anything at all that he will appreciate it? That’s a sociopath for you, take away take away take away until you are grateful for a crumb. And you are entitled to the whole piece of cake!
“...why would Howard care about custody at that point?
Once he discovered he had ‘wrong legal advice’ about the ‘committment ceremony’ a drugged, incoherent Anna would have been immensely personally beneficial for inquest purposes;
then, giving the baby to birkhead after anna is in the slammer leaves a single man in paradise with a mansion and no big, or little, babies to cater to, and a large ‘executor’ income, (not to mention substantial income from future “interviews”)
the first identity Stern assumed at Anna’s death was ‘executor’ not S.O., not ‘husband’, but ‘executor’ - what does he care what happens to the baby as long as the baby has a caregiver and stays alive for say, 30,40 years while he controls the purse strings?”
It looks like you’re right. Sorry it took so long to answer. Things are going Howard’s way. The Bahamian Court doesn’t seem likely to bring a conviction against him for Daniel’s death. He has been let off the hook for so many things now, the pattern is unfolding. It will be interesting to see if Larry continues his affection for Howard once the baby is safely away from him.
“The sex, drugs, and rock and roll lifestyle were used to mask her sense of inferiority, imo. Of course she wanted a normal family life. It’s too bad she didn’t have real friends to guide her. Daniel sent her over the edge. She was sober enough to realize that Howie was somehow involved, and blew up. Know why? Guilt. She felt guilt because she knew that if the goatherd wasn’t in her and Daniel’s life, he’d still be alive. “
Too bad she didn’t have a real psychiatrist either. I’m sure she paid enough to have seen a good one. But maybe she just wanted the drugs. She got rid of everyone who wanted her to stay sober.
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