Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
(Excerpt) Read more at web.israelinsider.com ...
You might try pinging him?
[Just a thought]...
I did and he answered last night. He basically said I was beating a dead horse. I think he misunderstood the point I was trying to make.
The point being that: If he was able to recognize that picture as being the airport as it was in 1971, then that part of the terminal was obviously still in existence (in 1971), and hence, the photo was most-likely valid.
Lawyers are like whores. They will assume any unnatural position if you pay them enough.
Issues with respect to John McCain status as a natural-born citizen are without merit and have no *real* legal basis. He’s clearly a natural-born citizen based on law going back to 1790. You are free to write contentious articles and make theoretical and meritless claims like that guy. On the thread cited another lawyer called him a quack. And here is Cong Billybob, our resident SCOTUS appellate lawyer:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2043909/posts?page=41#41
Techdude’s claims to authority are not at issue.
He has not proven anything is the point.
You need to read past the spin and ask ‘where’s the beef?’
There is none. That’s why AJ Strata is not backpedalling.
There is nothing to backpedal on.
Previous claims were made and then busted is all you have.
“These pictures are all the same taken on the same day in 1990 or 1991 (December-January) when they are getting on an airplane to go somewhere to get married.”
The correct date for the airport pictures of Barack Sr, Barack Jr and Ann, is Christmastime 1971. Any speculation otherwise is contrary to evidence and reality.
“Obama is the fraud for representing that a fraudulent document is legitimate. “
No such thing has been proven or established. The BC on Obama’s website might well be legitimate, in fact the preponderance of evidence points in that direction.
Are you secretly my husband on FreeRepublic and I don't know it? LOL! He does the same thing. Hard to keep the check book balanced.
…”professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain’s birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement…”
David,
Take a good look at McCains birth certificate.
He was not born in the Canal Zone, U.S. Territory.
He was born in Colón, Republic Panama, a foreign country.
Can’t these “professors” read?
After he was born in Colón, Republic Panama, on 29 August, his birth was “registered” (a key word) at Balboa Heights, Canal Zone, on 10 September 1936.
This involved taking John’s Panamanian birth certificate and presenting it at the registrars office of vital statistics in the Canal Zone.
This would also require the parents to prove who they were.
They never registered John in the Republic of Panama in El Registro Publico (The Public Registry). They just bypassed it and left for the U.S.
Just because he was not registered with the Panamanian Government, does not make him less of a Panamanian. He still is one.
Solid proof of this is shown in the Certificate of Live Birth issued by the Canal Zone. It states born in “Colon.”
There was no hospital in Coco Solo, Canal Zone, at that time. It was built in ‘41-’42 long after he was born and gone.
There is nothing difficult to understand about this.
He was born a Panamanian citizen.
Crumbs!!! I know this inside out and outside in.
I live in Panama and have personally worked with this very problem. A lot of folks never registered their birth in Panama before they left for the States, and now want their official Panamanian documents. I tell them what they need and what to do.
Regards.
bmflr, good to know for later reference — I’m sure it will come up.
It seems to me that it is almost beyond any doubt that the Obama birth certificate is a forgery. And that all the other evidence presented either does NOT change that presumption or adds to it. What other evidence?
(1) That the cert # is blacked out.
(2) That the cert reads "Filed on" instead of "accepted on."
(3) The very stonewalling itself is an evidence -- why hasn't the campaign provided a reasonable high resolution version of the document, or better yet, authorized the HI DOS to release all pertinent records? After all, they do claim they provided something. The way the 1st amendment woks, as I understand, is that once a witness starts talking about a subject he just can't tell a part of the story, he has to tell the whole story, the whole truth.
The general rule is that it is wise for a reasonable person to take the blatant failure to provide a whole fact, as evidence that the partial fact that was presented does NOT accurately represent the whole. Why? Otherwise the whole fact would have been presented. The common saying on this ancient wisdom is "Put your best foot forward." That is, if one stocking has holes or stains in it, or one shoe is falling apart, make sure to stand or sit so that the good stocking and shoe show.
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So then, what did you mean when you said "the preponderance of evidence"? What stack of evidence is so ponderous? What is it, what are they?
Especially when BHO claims to have seen the very BC we want to see.
http://www.nationmedia.com/EastAfrican/01112004/Features/PA2-2212.html
‘I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. ‘
SE Mom;MinuteGal;Calpernia;David
(David, I am adding you to the list again because I added another paragraph at the bottom.)
…”professor at the University of Arizona has concluded that neither Mr. McCain’s birth in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone nor the fact that his parents were American citizens is enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement…”
David,
Take a good look at McCain’s birth certificate.
He was not born in the Canal Zone, U.S. Territory.
He was born in Colón, Republic Panama, a foreign country.
Can’t these “professors” read?
After he was born in Colón, Republic Panama, on 29 August, his birth was “registered” (a key word) at Balboa Heights, Canal Zone, on 10 September 1936.
This involved taking John’s Panamanian birth certificate and presenting it at the registrars office of vital statistics in the Canal Zone.
This would also require the parents to prove who they were.
They never registered John in the Republic of Panama in El Registro Publico (The Public Registry). They just bypassed it and left for the U.S.
Just because he was not registered with the Panamanian Government, does not make him less of a Panamanian. He still is one.
Solid proof of this is shown in the Certificate of Live Birth issued by the Canal Zone. It states born in “Colon.”
There was no hospital in Coco Solo, Canal Zone, at that time. It was built in 41-42 long after he was born and gone.
There is nothing difficult to understand about this.
He was born a Panamanian citizen.
Crumbs!!! I know this inside out and outside in.
I live in Panama and have personally worked with this very problem. A lot of folks never registered their birth in Panama before they left for the States and now want their official Panamanian documents. I tell them what they need and what to do.
I forgot to add to my reply to David: I always accompany these folks. They would be lost since they have never been through the process of getting their Panamanian papers to include their Panamanian passport and very few learned Spanish.
there is no way from an image to detect whether HI prints the background, borders and BC specific information all at once, or whether the background and borders are pre-printed on stock paper. Digital images cannot tell you that, only the original can.That's wrong, I'm pretty certain. At least speaking as a non-expert, but just a educated person, I'd think that yes you can tell what was printed by one type of printer and what by another, what kind of printer was used and even make a good guess about what the ink was and what the paper used was. Even from a digital image. Why? Because you have repeating patterns and you can do an ensemble analysis and get orders of magnitude better resolution than the pixel count would indicate. Again -- I'm no expert!
P.S.
If McCain wants to hire my services, I will give him a special price: $1,999,999.98.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2043909/posts
So- here’ the deal.
They’re both disqualified, let them run Mike Gavel and we’ll run Fred :)
It sounds like plan, SE Mom.
I was teasing you a bit, as I didn't realize you were a newbie, and simply didn't know. I thought you were getting a little over excited and simply forgot.
FWIW, I'm also far from convinced that the so-called wedding photo (It's not a wedding photo, It's just her in a white/light colored dress that was in an article near a block of text that mentions her wedding. It wasn't a caption.) and the 'maybe Malik' photo were taken in 1961.
I suspect they are photos from the 1971/72 trip.
Nothing looks quite so much like the inside of an air terminal as another air terminal...
In the absence of anything definitive the family photos are a side issue.
The real issue is where was the kid born?
All we have to prove his place of birth is a poor resolution, obviously forged document posted on a "progressive" website.
Besides his own stop the smears site's use of this "document", nothing else placing his birth in Honolulu has been offered or discovered.
Nothing.
I find that very odd.
Especially given that the first confirmed Baby 'Bama sighting is 2500 miles away.
Especially given that there are unconfirmed reports of family being at his birth in Kenya.
Especially given that there are no reports, confirmed or otherwise, of anyone being at his birth in Hawai'i. No family. No bestest girlfriend. No neighbors. No relatives. No nobody.
Especially given that "they" went through some considerable effort to track down and threaten someone for daring to post a petition to have Barak show his real birth certificate.
You don't attract that kind of attention when you're far, far from any embarrassing truth.
HEY!
Don’t call a lawyer a whore!
(It insults the whores)...
There are valid reasons for them not to share that publicly and still have a legit BC.
Not within the context that there are many other states where a certified B.C. could be secured by outside parties. What would he do then....?
Even McCain's Panamanian CoLB had registration number visible.
They need to provide an actual certification number, provided one was actually issued.
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