Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)

Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

[SE Mom]

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

[muawiyah]

In 1967 you find references to the disruptions in the aftermath of Sukarno's passing. Stanley Ann got married to the Indonesian student in 1967. Wiki notes that he went to work for Mobile Oil.

Condoleeza Rice had her name on a Chevron tanker for awhile. Chevron is heavy into Canadian tar sands oil and is a major competitor of Mobile. (That's just a side note).

So, Mobile Oil was a major supplier of the money for Obama's education ~ and he's going to do what about their taxes?

In response to the expulsion of mixed-race people I was aware, through friends, of continuation of the practice during the early Suharto years ~ thinking of our office secretary in fact (back in the early 1970s) ~ she'd made the mistake of being a Chinese Christian.

More recently the Indonesian government has forced Chinese to adopt Malay names even if they are not Moslem.

[Nuc1]

It’s all pretty sobering. What will liberals, socialists and regular old Democrats do? What will it do to the country?

The SCOTUS will simply invalidate the constitution. Its not as if they haven't done it before. FWIW I read somewhere that McCain was born in a Panama Hospital, not on a base hospital. That might put a hitch in his giddy-up too. What a Twilight Zone year.

[muawiyah]

You write to the Foreign Office. They may or may not answer you. As far as records still being in Mombasa, that's probably land surveys and operating instructions for how to put firewood in the box on a locomotive.

The Brits have a history of removing the records, presumably for safekeeping. There are New York records still in Ottowa.

Stanley Ann is reported by many sources to have been very interested in weaving. I don't know what kind of weaving in particular, but I did check her genealogy. She was a first cousin at about 7 removes, so we are talking about the same American line ~ all the way back to Loweville NY.

The "weaving" would be that appropriate for "baskets", but she may have been into cloth as well. Odds are good that she'd been on an airplane giving birth if it would give her a chance to visit with Luo weavers.

[Fred Nerks]

Six months after they wed, another letter arrived in Kenya, announcing the birth of Barack Hussein Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961. Despite her husband's continued anger, Sarah Obama said in a recent interview, she "was so happy to have a grandchild in the U.S."

Quote from:

THE OBAMA FILE, LATEST NEWS.link

'Obama's grandmother -- who isn't his grandmother -- and who is described in this fawning report as "the famous woman from Nyang’oma Kogelo Village of Siaya District" -- made an appearance at the U. S. Independence Day celebrations, held at the U. S. ambassadors residence in Nairobi, Kenya.'

"It’s quite a surprise. I couldn’t in my wildest imagination think that Obama’s grandmother (she's not his grandmother) would be here. I did not expect it at all. I have to at least say hi to her," one person was overheard saying.

And as she mingled freely with many dignitaries, who included Prime Minister Raila Odinga and Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka, Mama Obama, who was with her grand-daughter, Dr Auma Obama, engaged her new found friends in hearty conversations.

Phony grandma --"celebrity"

'She clearly stole the show. Many could not resist either posing for a photo with her, or taking her pictures, with the hope that in the next few months, they would brag to others that they once were with the US President’s grandmother! (she's really not his grandmother!)

This was the first time Mama Sarah, who embraced the Obama family tradition, first saying she was a Muslim and then saying she was a Christian, attended an official function and going by the look of things, she is definitely going places (yeah, to the White House).

Meanwhile, Obama's real grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who raised him and put him through the prestigious Punahou School, remains a shadowy figure. Hidden away by Obama's campaign, the woman that Obama described as a "typical white person" is, according to Obama, "somewhere in Hawaii."

Quote from:

THE OBAMA FILE, FAMILY. LINK.

'Grandfather's third wife Sarah, is the one often referred to by Obama as his "grandmother." She is not a blood relative and describes herself as a lifelong Muslim. "I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith," she said.

Sarah was the primary caregiver for Senior after his mother, Akuma, left the family when her children were still young.

[El Gato]

As for argument that Congress can’t ‘define the meaning of terms’, I’m sorry but you are playing a bit too much of armchair lawyer here and a law prof would correct you vigorously. This “So that law, if it applied, which it can’t directly because Congress cannot define the meaning of terms in the Constitution” is almost certainly incorrect, as Congress legislates many matters and terms in the Constitution and it is well-permitted.

But you, probably deliberately, misunderstand the point. Congress can apply its understanding of the Constitution, and make laws on that basis. But they cannot say that "natural born" means anyone naturalized in the first five years of life, or something like that. They can make the law, but it won't be Constitutional, and the courts will or should strike it down. They cannot change the definition from that understood when the Constitution, or an amendment to it, was passed. Sometimes determining just what was understood can be difficult, and in this case, as with many terms in the main body of the Constitution, requires recourse to English Common law.

Congress can't redefine "letter of Marque" or the meaning of of their powers. The reason should be obvious, it would render the written Constitution as meaningless, which of course is the point of the "living document" folks, who aren't happy with the limits placed on government in that Old Rag written by dead white men.

You aren't one of those are you?

[browardchad]

I’ve been trying to tell them ... will they listen?? ...

Hope springs eternal in the human breast;
Man never Is, but always To be Blest.
The soul, uneasy, and confin'd from home,
Rest and expatiates in a life to come.
Lo, the poor Indian! whose untutor'd mind
Sees God in clouds, or hears him in the wind;
His soul proud Science never taught to stray
Far as the solar walk or milky way;
Yet simple Nature to his hope has giv'n,
Behind the cloud-topp'd hill, an humbler heav'n.

Alexander Pope
An Essay on Man

[Spunky]

"Elvis?"

LOL! Yes, and the fact like his mother/or her friend (can't remember which) I thought Harry BeleFonte was the sexiest man I had ever seen. 18 year olds are pretty nieve.

[David]

The Fortress of Solitude has internet access?

Faster broadband than I have in the city. I can't be down here without it.

[PghBaldy]

OK. Good points. Thank you. I have not made up my mind at all about the BC issue, but something isn’t right. I think it may be just something mundane or embarassing.

[El Gato]

On the other hand, most Democrat politicians had parents who were firm believers in abortion for other people's kids. Obama's momma appears to have not had firm beliefs in that regard.

Not necessarily. She at least wasn't willing to violate the law of the land at the time, especially not in some back alley abortion operation. Can't say as I blame her. Besides, crazy as she was, she probably thought it was "noble" to have the baby of an older man (about 7 years older) from a third world country. She may or may not have known about the other wife. I'd say if there exists a marriage certificate and license from a US state, probably Hawaii, then she likely did not know, but if there isn't then she's much more likely to have known. Funny that no one can up with that document either. But the completely private wedding ceremony is highly suspicious, most states *require* at least two witnesses in addition to the person officiating at the ceremony (Minister, Priest (Catholic, Orthodox, or Busddist) Rabbi, Justice of the peace or Imam) on the cerfiicate. The current license application also requires that the person who will be performing the ceremony be named, (and they must be licensed by the State)

[El Gato]

Obama can get up in front of thousands and say “And you know what? They are calling my dear departed mother a felon, a con artist. My mother who raised me and sacrificed for me

"and abandoned me."

If he says the first part, people are naturally going to supply what I did, and he'll like a bigger idiot than he already does.

[David]

Your #2463: Well ok, the simple explanation is that Obama Sr. married Ann in Maui--great wedding spot; people do it there all the time.

Let's see--is there any single record anywhere or any single person, the guy who married them, a witness, anybody who can say it happened there? It's a violation of local law for the guy who did the marriage not to file the certificate--where is it?

The newspapers almost always find one of the two events, the marriage license or the marriage certificate, and report it in their Vital Statistics--you find it there?

You don't find anything that supports the fairy tale they got married on Maui, you start thinking about what it is they don't want to tell you.

It can't be said to prove anything to demonstrate that they were married in Kenya; but if you could, you put her, pregnant, in Kenya, and you are part way to explaining how she was there and didn't get back for the birth.

Take the other simple: Break from school; she has dropped out. "Wedding picture" says Barack; in the Departure Lounge of the Honolulu airport. Too early (Christmas decorations still up) to be February 2. The obvious inference is that they are going somewhere to get married. Where are they going? I don't have a lot of trouble with the blanks.

[David]

Now, I was wondering about why you have a different residency requirement - I found it here: “1986—Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 99–653 substituted “five years, at least two” for “ten years, at least five”. “ So an amendment in 1986 changed the situation to the 5 + 2, which Stanley Ann Dunham met. Further, the claim that someone can fail a residency test despite living their whole life in the US is beyond dubious.

Wrong again. There is a specific effective date for the change--Congress says it applies only to persons born after November 24, 1986. Barack was born in August of 1961. So the change doesn't apply to him--he either has to win with ten and five or he isn't a citizen.

[PerConPat]

Kresge (not WOSG): If you were born after Dec. 2, 1952,... If one of your parents was a United States citizen and the other an alien, if you were born abroad, you would automatically be a United States citizen if your citizen parent had been, before your birth, in the United States for five years, two before the age of 14.

Siskind at lexisnexis has this to say about he matter:

What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?

When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14.

Kresge was certainly correct to call this a "thicket."

[Political Junkie Too]

FYI a little late, but if anyone's still interested...

I found this archive picture of the Pan Am ticket lobby at the Honolulu airport from 1961 (at this link of Hawaiian aviation historical photos). Note that the San Francisco banner is actually a counter sign hanging from the pole seen on the left. If you click on the preview picture at the site, you can see a full-screen version of the picture.

This may be a different part of the terminal, but it sure looks to me like it's absolutely the Honolulu Airport in the 1960's.

On another note, regarding the 1964 divorce reference to a marriage on Maui in Feb 1961, if you click around on the site linked above, it looks like air travel to Maui was pretty primitive in those days. What did it cost to fly to Maui in 1961, and where would one go near the few airports that were there? I'm assuming the husband had the resources for the trip, since I'm not sure that a 18-year-old would.

-PJ

[Spunky]

I am not sure she followed the Muslim traditions when she gave birth to Maya. Soetero her father followed a brand of Islam that allowed Hinduism.

Obama wrote. "LIke many Indonesians, Lolo followed a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths.

[David]

First, Mr. Safire commits a common error when discussing the Constitution’s requirement that the President be ‘’a natural born citizen.’’ Mr. Safire believes this to mean native born, that is, born within the United States. A far more logical and reasonable meaning, however, is one who became a citizen naturally, through the circumstances of birth, and not through being naturalized, the lengthy and onerous process by which aliens become United States citizens.

You just keep driving along making these unsupportable pronouncements--I am going to stop responding to you. You may think Safire was in error, but most of the Constitutional Lawyers I talk to have an equally firm view to the contrary. Doesn't make anybody correct until either Supreme Court tells you the answer or Congress and the several states amend the Constitution.

To me, it never makes any difference. If somebody hired me to talk to the Supreme Court, I assume I can win either side. But as an abstract proposition, my bet is on Safire's side of the argument--it means more or less within the confines of the 57 states.

[El Gato]

But so what? I was also taught the Moon was up there "to protect us from meteors")!

To some extent, it does. Just not enough. It certainly has taken plenty of hits, but so has the earth. Terra just fixes them faster, much faster, than Luna.

[tsmith130]

The newspapers almost always find one of the two events, the marriage license or the marriage certificate, and report it in their Vital Statistics--you find it there?

WE cannot get a copy of the marriage license from vital statistics for the same reason WE cannot request a copy of the birth certificate. WE are not the parties on the marriage certificate (or BC), nor are WE relatives or descendants of the parties on the marriage certificate (or BC).

IF you want to PAY online, you can check the newspapers for published wedding/marriage announcements or go to Hawaii and check the microfiche in the library.

Just because no one is producing them for your perusal is not evidence in and of itself that they don't exist.

[TruthNtegrity]

boomarking...........