Posted on 10/05/2009 11:22:44 AM PDT by Gamecock
An Italian scientist says he has reproduced the Shroud of Turin, a feat that he says proves definitively that the linen some Christians revere as Jesus Christ's burial cloth is a medieval fake. The shroud, measuring 14 feet, 4 inches by 3 feet, 7 inches bears the image, eerily reversed like a photographic negative, of a crucified man some believers say is Christ. "We have shown that is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud," Luigi Garlaschelli, who is due to illustrate the results at a conference on the para-normal this weekend in northern Italy, said on Monday. A professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia, Garlaschelli made available to Reuters the paper he will deliver and the accompanying comparative photographs.
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994 - But there is more. Jesus links faith in the resurrection to his own person: "I am the Resurrection and the life."544 It is Jesus himself who on the last day will raise up those who have believed in him, who have eaten his body and drunk his blood.545 Already now in this present life he gives a sign and pledge of this by restoring some of the dead to life,546 announcing thereby his own Resurrection, though it was to be of another order. He speaks of this unique event as the "sign of Jonah,"547 the sign of the temple: he announces that he will be put to death but rise thereafter on the third day.548
Mere demonstrations of how a parable can be interpreted in another way than what you think.
lol. Apparently the RCC catechism doesn't think this parable can be interpreted any other way but according to the clear and explicit metaphor Christ chose to employ.
It seems Roman Catholics are free to interpret their catechism anyway they see fit.
The Catholic Catechism IS the Roman Catholic Church's interpretation of the meaning... that does not mean there are not more and perhaps more accurate interpretations made from a position of later scholarship.
If anything what is depicted is both the beginning and end of Christ's Life on Earth. If you cannot see that His mother was an integral part of his life then I feel sorry for you, if you believe that His love for His mother somehow detracts from His love for you then I feel sorry for you and if you believe that scouring the internet for the most hateful things you can find about His mother, then I feel really sorry for you.
I've given you the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but I can only conclude that your purpose on these threads is to somehow convince yourself of you “election” by exhibiting hatred of Catholicism. I cannot even imagine how terrifying it must be for a person to believe that their salvation is so conditioned on proselytizing that they fabricate falsehoods. God loves you and wants you with Him, He DOES NOT need you to prove that you are somehow better than the rest of His children. I will continue to pray for you, but it is doubtful that I will respond to any of your posts in the foreseeable future.
I am well aware that Jesus Christ was chastising the man in John 4:48, I am ALSO aware that Jesus then performed His second miracle and cured the man’s son.
LOL. riiiiighhhhttt.
There are three figures in that photo: Mother of God, the Christ Child and Christ Crucified.
If you think using the back of that stone crucifix as a support for another statue means it depicts that other statue on the Cross with Jesus at the Crucifixion, then you necessarily must claim (absurdly) that “Catholics believe Mary and the Christ Child are on the cross with Christ helping Christ to redeem His sheep.”
Imagine that: another great Perry Mason moment from you, another EPIC FAIL.
An amazing admission from you. It's progress.
And Catholics quibble about the meaning of "explicitly"...
What you call a "quibble" is a rigorous effort to explain to you what the word means.
...when the Catechism of the Catholic Church clearly and EXPLICITLY says "the sign of Jonah" references Christ's resurrection...
That was not the issue. The issue was whether the Catechism of the Catholic Church supports your claim that Christ explicitly said the only sign we need is His resurrection, which it does not.
...a fact three Catholics denied EXPLICITLY.
Bzzzzt. Wrong again. Either you are playing a shell game with your contentions or you cannot follow simple logic. I suspect the former.
LOL
THE CALVINISM DEBATE Part 1 of 2
3. CALVINISM’S DOCTRINES ARE CONTRARY TO THE PLAIN TEACHING OF GOD’S WORD.
THE BIBLE VS. THE CALVINIST DOCTRINE THAT FAITH IS A WORK
Calvinism says that grace means man cannot do anything, cannot even believe, because otherwise grace would not be grace and the sinner would have something to boast of.
4. CALVINISM INTERPRETS SCRIPTURE BY THEOLOGY RATHER THAN BY CONTEXT.
Its doctrines are not supported by the plain language of Scripture but are read into the Scripture. In Bible interpretation, the principle rule is to interpret according to the plain language of the text and according to the context.
5. CALVINISM MISSTATES WHAT NON-CALVINISTS BELIEVE.
There are many strawman arguments that the Calvinist erects and defeats, but by defeating them he has only defeated a figment of his own imagination.
The blind leading the blind.
Sad.
Religious reasons aside, the Shroud of Turin is capitalized because it is a proper noun, it is no different than capitalizing the Arch of Titus in Rome or the Brooklyn Bridge.
Actually it should be "it's" (with an apostrophe), but regardless it should be quite easy to provide a link for something that Christ said EXPLICITLY.
If the ONLY sign we need is the Resurrection, WHY do the Gospels also focus on other events? Why did Saint Paul write so many epistles?
The suggestion that the Resurrection is the ONLY sign we need is supported neither by Scripture NOR the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
The reason neither support this suggestion is that the suggestion is false.
It’s just another strawman argument.
If its ONLY the Resurrection, then why do the Calvinists have “TULIP”? For that matter, where is “TULIP” in the Bible because if it’s not manmade I don’t know what is.
Good grief. Are we to worship a piece of hemp or flax? Are we to show "respect" through punctuation? Are we to kiss the leather of a sandal or even the blanket that swaddled the Christ child?
God forbid such idolatry.
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." -- Romans 1:21-25
"Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 2 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?" -- Colossians 2:20-22"Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him." -- Psalms 2:12
Get it? The reality of our sanctified life is spiritual, not physical "after the commandments and doctrines of men."
Christ told us the only "sign" we need is His resurrection. To look for more, especially in the physical world, shows a lack of trust in Him and His word.
lol. I actually enjoy this. Such is the glory of God. Here's your own catechism explicitly rebuking you...
994 - But there is more. Jesus links faith in the resurrection to his own person: "I am the Resurrection and the life."544 It is Jesus himself who on the last day will raise up those who have believed in him, who have eaten his body and drunk his blood.545 Already now in this present life he gives a sign and pledge of this by restoring some of the dead to life,546 announcing thereby his own Resurrection, though it was to be of another order. He speaks of this unique event as the "sign of Jonah,"547 the sign of the temple: he announces that he will be put to death but rise thereafter on the third day.548
Please note your catechism says Jesus "speaks of this unique event ('His own resurrection') as the 'sign of Jonah.'"
Christ's own words which He "speaks" clearly without confusion tell us His resurrection is as the sign of Jonah.
On this one it would seem like a person doesn't even need "eyes to see." His words are that "explicit."
I don't have a catechism. You are quoting the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
That aside, you need a dictionary.
What's missing is "only." The exclusivity is not there, if you have eyes to see and a heart to limit yourself only to what Christ (and the Catechism of His Church) says, rather than what you want.
I guarantee, taking you to school on logic is thoroughly enjoyable to me.
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