Posted on 10/05/2009 11:22:44 AM PDT by Gamecock
An Italian scientist says he has reproduced the Shroud of Turin, a feat that he says proves definitively that the linen some Christians revere as Jesus Christ's burial cloth is a medieval fake. The shroud, measuring 14 feet, 4 inches by 3 feet, 7 inches bears the image, eerily reversed like a photographic negative, of a crucified man some believers say is Christ. "We have shown that is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud," Luigi Garlaschelli, who is due to illustrate the results at a conference on the para-normal this weekend in northern Italy, said on Monday. A professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia, Garlaschelli made available to Reuters the paper he will deliver and the accompanying comparative photographs.
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Yet some did not believe UNTIL they saw:
Jesus therefore said to him: Unless you see signs and wonders, you believe not. (John 4:48)
Where did Jesus Christ explicitly say this?
and perhaps He left behind this evidence of that Ressurection to appear and be testimony of it when it would be needed. He certainly left behind other evidence, the oral testimony of eye witnesses. . . And, although He certainly could have healed the wounds of His body, He kept those as well to bear witness.
Something so explicit should be easy to cite Scripturally.
How in the world do you know that this was the ACTUAL burial cloth on our Lord Jesus? And, if it was, would it really matter?
PETRONSKI: Something so explicit should be easy to cite Scripturally.
Thankfully, yes it is. I'm surprised you're not familiar with the Scriptures. Maybe not.
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." -- Matthew 12:39-40"But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
We can't, and science never will be able to make that claim. All we can do is collect evidence of what it is and try to falsify it. So far the preponderance of the evidence points toward authenticity.
In 1988, the skeptics thought that the Shroud had been falsified when the C14 test showed that the Flax for the Linen had grown in the 14th Century. That was where the matter rested until the 1988 C14 test was itself falsified when it was shown that what they tested was contaminated with 16th Century Cotton threads invisibly woven into some original Shroud threads to mend a frayed or torn area. Since what they tested was not homogenous with with what they wanted to date, the age of the Shroud is again unknown.
All we can do is continue researching science, literature, and history seeking data that either extends the chain of custody farther back or finally falsifies the Shroud by proving a different provenance.
Uh, Doc? That's not "explicit." That's a veiled reference that's open to interpretation. For example, The analogy to Jonah fails because Jonah was not dead. This could be interpreted to mean that Jesus went underground alive to hide out and came out alive after three days.
Not explicit. You need a dictionary.
Authenticity to what? That it is an old piece of cloth that has what some would consider an image stain on it? That is about as authentic as one can get. It is impossible to prove it is anything more than that.
Wow. So you believe Christ's reference to the "sign of Jonah" does not speak to His resurrection (and our need for no additional signs) but instead is "a veiled reference that's open to interpretation?"
That's amazing. I had no idea Rome was teaching such careless errors regarding the very words of Jesus Christ. Christ spoke in parables so that those who were His sheep would hear Him and understand, while those whose eyes had been blinded to the truth could only come up with "not explicit" and "open to interpretation."
The analogy to Jonah fails because Jonah was not dead. This could be interpreted to mean that Jesus went underground alive to hide out and came out alive after three days.
Fails? Went underground?
Who are you? Dan Brown?
It seems that Roman Catholics will go to almost any length to rationalize bowing down to the stock of a tree.
Perhaps it's time for you to consult your catechism...
994 - But there is more. Jesus links faith in the resurrection to his own person: "I am the Resurrection and the life."544 It is Jesus himself who on the last day will raise up those who have believed in him, who have eaten his body and drunk his blood.545 Already now in this present life he gives a sign and pledge of this by restoring some of the dead to life,546 announcing thereby his own Resurrection, though it was to be of another order. He speaks of this unique event as the "sign of Jonah,"547 the sign of the temple: he announces that he will be put to death but rise thereafter on the third day.548
Forgive the large font, but on the few occasions the RCC catechism is correct I like to highlight it for those who don't know.
~~Where did Jesus Christ explicitly say this?”~~
You, too? That surprises me. But less and less.
See post 513.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2355338/posts?page=513#513
Why do you capitalize "shroud?"
“Read the verse in context. Jesus was chastising them.”
So did Paul.
1Cr 1:21-25, “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.”
By the way, “Shroud of Turin” - veiled reference”, I think I get it.
lol. You’re quicker than me. Drat.
Double drat. You’re quicker than I. 8~(
No.
The passage you quote does not explicitly say what you claims it explicitly says.
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