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Italian scientist reproduces Shroud of Turin
Yahoo ^ | 5 Oct 2009 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 10/05/2009 11:22:44 AM PDT by Gamecock

An Italian scientist says he has reproduced the Shroud of Turin, a feat that he says proves definitively that the linen some Christians revere as Jesus Christ's burial cloth is a medieval fake. The shroud, measuring 14 feet, 4 inches by 3 feet, 7 inches bears the image, eerily reversed like a photographic negative, of a crucified man some believers say is Christ. "We have shown that is possible to reproduce something which has the same characteristics as the Shroud," Luigi Garlaschelli, who is due to illustrate the results at a conference on the para-normal this weekend in northern Italy, said on Monday. A professor of organic chemistry at the University of Pavia, Garlaschelli made available to Reuters the paper he will deliver and the accompanying comparative photographs.

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TOPICS: Current Events; History; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: anotherstudy; antichristian; antitheists; archeology; atheists; bravosierra; christianity; eyesofftheprize; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; heresy; idolatry; medievalfake; medievalforgery; medievalfraud; science; scientists; shroudofturin; superstition; turin; vainjanglings
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To: Ransomed
Who the heck do you think you are to determine such grave questions about yourself?

Just another miserable mackerel-snapper.

Pass the lemon wedges.

181 posted on 10/05/2009 1:00:00 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

No you were not. You distort what # 45 says. If this is an example of your ability to deal with evidence, then you are pitiable.


182 posted on 10/05/2009 1:00:17 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: TheThirdRuffian

No, you weren’t.


183 posted on 10/05/2009 1:00:57 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
What is your difficulty with believing that this shroud is what it is claimed to be?

In other words, you identify yourself as "Christian." Why does the presence of this shroud present a problem?

There is a disconnect between your strong opinion and your religious identification. (Why not simply say, "I have no idea if this is real or not," and leave it at that?)

184 posted on 10/05/2009 1:01:12 PM PDT by Storm Cloud
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Resist the urge to touch the wound.

Did Jesus rebuke Thomas?

185 posted on 10/05/2009 1:01:54 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Jewbacca
Even saw a fake kosher Torah one time...

What would a non-Kosher Torah be?

186 posted on 10/05/2009 1:02:52 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: Nabber

“Yup, cuz he don’t like them relics and them thar Papists!”

You’re very dishonest for a purported Christian.

I have no problem with relics. REAL relics, that is.

“Papists”

Again, the Roman Catholic Church takes no position regarding the shroud. Your accusation is as big a red herring as the RomneyBots who claim not loving Mitt is anti-Mormon.


187 posted on 10/05/2009 1:03:10 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Not according to some on this thread.

If you don’t believe the cloth bears the face of Jesus Christ, you’re doomed to Hell.

I can't seem to find those posts - can you provide a link?

188 posted on 10/05/2009 1:05:11 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: TheThirdRuffian

What could possibly be a “real relic” as far as you are concerned?

And when were you called an atheist and condemned to hell?

I think you may have made that one up.


189 posted on 10/05/2009 1:05:33 PM PDT by Nabber
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To: Pyro7480; markomalley
This hardly explains the pollen strains found on the fibers.
Creating a similar but NOT identical image does not explain what is found on
the Turin shroud.
190 posted on 10/05/2009 1:06:59 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Petronski

All your relics are belong to us!!!! Our popery knows no bounds!!

Freegards


191 posted on 10/05/2009 1:07:13 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Storm Cloud

“What is your difficulty with believing that this shroud is what it is claimed to be?”

The burden of proof is on the propents. They have not met their burden. Indeed, best evidence to date is that it is a 800 year old fake.

“In other words, you identify yourself as “Christian.” Why does the presence of this shroud present a problem?”

It presents no problem at all, and its veracity or non-veracity would change nothing in my belief that Jesus Christ was/is the Son of God.

“There is a disconnect between your strong opinion and your religious identification.”

I don’t have a strongh opinion, and would be pleasantly surprised if the shroud turned out to be real. You mistake my refusal to capitulate to the hysteria of the Shroudies as a strong opinion.


192 posted on 10/05/2009 1:08:02 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

All of us have a problem with fake relics. It come as news to you, but that’s not the issue here.

You are convinced the Shroud is inauthentic. Yet you have so far offered zero real evidence, merely global statement that it’s been proven a fraud.

Others have cited, summarily, because the scientific presentation of the evidence takes up page after page after page, plenty of evidence in favor of authenticity.

Put up or shut up. Give us one, single credible bit of forensic or historical evidence that the Shroud is a fake. The C-14 dating has been amply refuted on this thread, based on peer-reviewed scientific studies. The lack-of-a-pedigree issue has been refuted.

Either offer real, credible evidence that it’s a fake or shut you mouth, if indeed you only are bothered by fake relics. You are bothered by this relic but you only rant and rave when arguing that it’s fake.


193 posted on 10/05/2009 1:08:35 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Not to mention the math problem. If it was something that was faked in medieval times the technology would only be 800 years old.

I hope the shroud is real, but I’m just saying....


194 posted on 10/05/2009 1:09:10 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
...both sides of the "war on drugs"...

I'm ON both sides of that one. Scuse me while I go beat myself up in the alley.

195 posted on 10/05/2009 1:09:10 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

My creation of an exquisitely-forged Mona Lisa would not make the one in the Louvre a fake.


196 posted on 10/05/2009 1:09:54 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Nabber

“What could possibly be a “real relic” as far as you are concerned?”

One that is what it purports to be.

By the way, I have a piece of the One True Cross I picked up in Israel. I’ll sell it to you for a $1,000,000.


197 posted on 10/05/2009 1:10:10 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
I could do the same thing with cloth, lemon juice, and a candle.

it would not match the image on the Shroud. his technique is exactly that ... a little acid, which ii the operative chemical in lemon juice. Its been done before, including the baking in an oven, and failed. Ho hum.

198 posted on 10/05/2009 1:10:27 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

“ndeed, best evidence to date is that it is a 800 year old fake.”

Cite this “best evidence.”

Put up or shut up. You are a blowhard.


199 posted on 10/05/2009 1:10:33 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: TheThirdRuffian
It presents no problem at all, and its veracity or non-veracity would change nothing in my belief that Jesus Christ was/is the Son of God.

Do you think this is not also true of those who believe the Shroud is authentic?

200 posted on 10/05/2009 1:11:27 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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