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'Pope That Never Was' Shows How Close Major Change Can Come to the Papacy [Cardinal Carlo Martini}
SpiritDaily.com ^ | 04-26-06 | SpiritDaily

Posted on 04/26/2006 7:35:34 AM PDT by Salvation

'POPE WHO NEVER WAS' SHOWS HOW CLOSE  MAJOR CHANGE CAN COME TO THE PAPACY

It may be just smoke. Or it may be Benedict's first big test. The issue is condoms -- whether the Church can allow them in unusual cases, in order to save lives -- and it was all kick-started by a prominent  Cardinal who many had on their short lists of papal candidates.

It showed how close the Church can come to leadership by a pontiff with views at strong variance with current policy.

When Time Magazine speculated on a successor to John Paul II, this former archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Carlo Martini, had been listed as one of 12 likeliest candidates.

"According to Italian newspaper accounts, based on rumors and leaked reports, Cardinal Martini won a substantial number of ballots during the first round of voting in the recent conclave," noted a news service at the time.

Some know him as "the pope who never was."

And so there were waves last week when in a dialogue with Ignazio Marino, famous Italian bio-ethicist, which was published in a European periodical called L’Espresso, Cardinal Martini, asked when he felt human life began, replied “not immediately with conception, but after.”

At the earliest stage, argued the Cardinal -- before male and female chromosomes combine, forming new DNA -- there is “no sign of an individually distinguishable life,” and actually it is not yet an embryo (and thus it can be manipulated without any objections of a moral nature, the Cardinal said).

Although the Cardinal had expressed similar views before, the remarks made news because of their lucid presentation and because they were joined by equally strong remarks on euthanasia and condoms.

The Church has long taught that life begins at conception, and such is the basis for its opposition to abortion at any time, as well as to manipulation of the fertilized egg.

Other points Cardinal Martini made included an openness to the insertion into a woman’s womb – even a single woman – of embryos otherwise destined for destruction; allowing fertilization with the sperm or egg from an individual outside a couple if that couple is having trouble conceiving; permitting single persons to adopt children; and use of condoms for spouses when one of them is infected with AIDS (as “a lesser evil”).

When it comes to euthanasia, Cardinal Martini said that such was never to be approved but those who helped a person die should not be condemned if such was done "out of a sentiment of altruism." He felt the same about those who have received abortion.

The Vatican rushed  to respond, restating its position on condoms (through an official from the Pontifical Council for Health and Pastoral Care, presided by Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragán) and on when life begins (which is at conception, reaffirmed the president of the Pontifical Academy for Life, Monsignor Elio Sgreccia).

At the same time, the Holy See is preparing a "study" for internal dialogue, not a "document," on condoms and AIDS, says Cardinal Barragan. There is thus the  possibility -- and only the possibility -- that the Pope could bend slightly, a move that would nevertheless cause a tidal surge. A test this is. Some claim it is more than just a chance.

"The question the study addresses in particular is that of couples united in sacramental marriage, in which one of the spouses suffers from AIDS," reports Zenit New Service. "The study responds first to the question: What guarantee exists to prevent infection with AIDS through a condom? A second question is: Is it morally licit to use a 'technical' condom?"
 
Meanwhile, the remarks of Cardinal Martini, who is a Jesuit, also brought to the fore the issue of that Order, which many have labeled as overly liberal. Just last weekend, after a Mass commemorating St. Ignatius, the Pope reminded Jesuits -- who operate many major universities -- of their vow to be obedient.

In the Pope's first months, a stir was caused when another prominent Jesuit, Father Thomas J. Reese -- editor of America Magazine -- resigned at the request of his order following years of pressure from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which Benedict had headed before becoming Pope.

That move led many to believe that Benedict was indeed a tough enforcer who would weed out the type of liberalism that has been seen as pervading the Jesuits (and other orders).

At the same time, Benedict has been on friendly terms with Cardinal Martini. Just two weeks ago, speaking to youth of Rome, the Pope had suggested to the young people that they read the Cardinal's expert writings on the Scriptures. Thus are indications that Benedict will continue to be a Pope of surprises.

"A Jesuit, Martini embodies the reformist spirit of Catholic progressives. He has for two decades been the 'great white hope' of that constituency, the man most of them would elect to the papacy if they had the chance," noted a liberal Catholic periodical.

Could he actually have made it to the top?

Obviously, he did not. But it was a reminder of what could crop up in the way of like-minded cardinals in the next papal election.

[see also: the Pope who never was, Vatican official: there'll be no change on condoms, Study could approve use of condoms for married couples with AIDS, Ex-Jesuit says devil's image wrong, and No change on when life begins]



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To: Mrs. Don-o
Catholic historian Warren Carroll has noted that a surprising number of popes in the last 2000 years have only lived a month or two, and then keeled over unexpectedly.

Interesting, I'll have to remember this to look up later.

21 posted on 04/26/2006 8:43:46 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

I remember reading it in a book titled "Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic." I won't be able to help you in the short-term, though, because I passed that book on to a friend.


22 posted on 04/26/2006 8:45:38 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: FourtySeven

Lots.


23 posted on 04/26/2006 8:55:33 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: pgyanke

Ok, thanks, that title should be enough.


24 posted on 04/26/2006 9:02:07 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: SuziQ

Your assertions about the media are entirely true. Don't think it holds true for the Catholic Church in America, however.

BTW, AMChurch -- what is that?


25 posted on 04/26/2006 9:05:10 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Other points Cardinal Martini made included an openness to the insertion into a woman’s womb – even a single woman – of embryos otherwise destined for destruction

Now this is just common sense.

26 posted on 04/26/2006 9:09:31 AM PDT by Sloth (Archaeologists test for intelligent design all the time.)
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To: Salvation
BTW, AMChurch -- what is that?

Shorthand for those Catholics in America who think that the Church here shouldn't have to hold to the same tired, old, worn out standards, particularly those involving sexual matters, of the Roman Catholic Church. Americans are so sophisticated, you know? /sarc

27 posted on 04/26/2006 9:51:21 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Salvation
views at strong variance with current policy

Well, if it's only a matter of 'views' and 'policy' then politics as usual should apply.

I won't be holding my breath.

We've had some horrific individuals occupy the office. But they never saw fit to make any pronouncements on matters of faith or morals.

28 posted on 04/26/2006 9:52:54 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Salvation
...embodies the reformist spirit of Catholic progressives.

Bet they would have said the same about Luther.

29 posted on 04/26/2006 9:57:16 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: pgyanke; FourtySeven; Salvation
Speaking of near misses. I some times wonder about the things that have gone wrong and changed the Church. In England for example. Why couldn't Henry VIII just land a fertile wife? That would have kept the Catholic Church safe for a while longer?

Also, how about Mary Queen of Scots. If she had married the future English king Edward VI, England could have been Catholic once again. But, all kinds of things got in the way and Mary was kept in the tower for 19 years and then executed by Queen Elizabeth I.

Sometime it seems that though God watches over his Church, he doesn't make it easy. What do you think? Are there other examples?
30 posted on 04/26/2006 10:29:40 AM PDT by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: klossg

St. Teresa of Avila said, upon being thrown out of a carriage on her way across Spain, "Lord, if this is how you treat your friends, it is small wonder you have so few of them."


31 posted on 04/26/2006 10:36:16 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

LOL! I love that quote. It shows that Saints weren't all sweetness and light, either.


32 posted on 04/26/2006 10:46:33 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: klossg

That's an interesting point, however I believe a distinction must be noted. God promised His Church would never fall into error, however He never promised its members wouldn't fall into error. Indeed, the Church is comprised of people, who are sinners. The historical events you cited didn't change the Church, in a doctrinal way. t led to many falling away from the Church, but ultimately that was the result of human error, not the Church Herself failing.


33 posted on 04/26/2006 10:49:47 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: klossg

"t led" should be "They led..."


34 posted on 04/26/2006 10:51:35 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Salvation

As the saying goes "Close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades". I do pray that the Pope will scrutinize our seminaries for heresies and take steps to root it out.
Maybe that will keep future Martini's at bay.


35 posted on 04/26/2006 11:01:51 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: pgyanke

I think this was the Empress Theodosia or Theodora. I can not recall the name of Bishop involved who later became Pope.


36 posted on 04/26/2006 11:05:02 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

It was Empress Theodora and Pope Sylvarius (sp) here is a link on New Advent.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13793a.htm


37 posted on 04/26/2006 11:10:27 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: ELS

Santa Teresa was quite brisk with the Lord when she thought He needed to hear from her...a true Spaniard!


38 posted on 04/26/2006 11:16:36 AM PDT by livius
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To: Sloth

The real issue is artificial insemination. The making of embryos in petri dishes or by techniques of animal husbandry.


39 posted on 04/26/2006 11:16:41 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: pgyanke

Awesome book by David Currie.


40 posted on 04/26/2006 11:24:12 AM PDT by Jaded (The truthshall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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