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'Pope That Never Was' Shows How Close Major Change Can Come to the Papacy [Cardinal Carlo Martini}
SpiritDaily.com ^ | 04-26-06 | SpiritDaily

Posted on 04/26/2006 7:35:34 AM PDT by Salvation

'POPE WHO NEVER WAS' SHOWS HOW CLOSE  MAJOR CHANGE CAN COME TO THE PAPACY

It may be just smoke. Or it may be Benedict's first big test. The issue is condoms -- whether the Church can allow them in unusual cases, in order to save lives -- and it was all kick-started by a prominent  Cardinal who many had on their short lists of papal candidates.

It showed how close the Church can come to leadership by a pontiff with views at strong variance with current policy.

When Time Magazine speculated on a successor to John Paul II, this former archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Carlo Martini, had been listed as one of 12 likeliest candidates.

"According to Italian newspaper accounts, based on rumors and leaked reports, Cardinal Martini won a substantial number of ballots during the first round of voting in the recent conclave," noted a news service at the time.

Some know him as "the pope who never was."

And so there were waves last week when in a dialogue with Ignazio Marino, famous Italian bio-ethicist, which was published in a European periodical called L’Espresso, Cardinal Martini, asked when he felt human life began, replied “not immediately with conception, but after.”

At the earliest stage, argued the Cardinal -- before male and female chromosomes combine, forming new DNA -- there is “no sign of an individually distinguishable life,” and actually it is not yet an embryo (and thus it can be manipulated without any objections of a moral nature, the Cardinal said).

Although the Cardinal had expressed similar views before, the remarks made news because of their lucid presentation and because they were joined by equally strong remarks on euthanasia and condoms.

The Church has long taught that life begins at conception, and such is the basis for its opposition to abortion at any time, as well as to manipulation of the fertilized egg.

Other points Cardinal Martini made included an openness to the insertion into a woman’s womb – even a single woman – of embryos otherwise destined for destruction; allowing fertilization with the sperm or egg from an individual outside a couple if that couple is having trouble conceiving; permitting single persons to adopt children; and use of condoms for spouses when one of them is infected with AIDS (as “a lesser evil”).

When it comes to euthanasia, Cardinal Martini said that such was never to be approved but those who helped a person die should not be condemned if such was done "out of a sentiment of altruism." He felt the same about those who have received abortion.

The Vatican rushed  to respond, restating its position on condoms (through an official from the Pontifical Council for Health and Pastoral Care, presided by Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragán) and on when life begins (which is at conception, reaffirmed the president of the Pontifical Academy for Life, Monsignor Elio Sgreccia).

At the same time, the Holy See is preparing a "study" for internal dialogue, not a "document," on condoms and AIDS, says Cardinal Barragan. There is thus the  possibility -- and only the possibility -- that the Pope could bend slightly, a move that would nevertheless cause a tidal surge. A test this is. Some claim it is more than just a chance.

"The question the study addresses in particular is that of couples united in sacramental marriage, in which one of the spouses suffers from AIDS," reports Zenit New Service. "The study responds first to the question: What guarantee exists to prevent infection with AIDS through a condom? A second question is: Is it morally licit to use a 'technical' condom?"
 
Meanwhile, the remarks of Cardinal Martini, who is a Jesuit, also brought to the fore the issue of that Order, which many have labeled as overly liberal. Just last weekend, after a Mass commemorating St. Ignatius, the Pope reminded Jesuits -- who operate many major universities -- of their vow to be obedient.

In the Pope's first months, a stir was caused when another prominent Jesuit, Father Thomas J. Reese -- editor of America Magazine -- resigned at the request of his order following years of pressure from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which Benedict had headed before becoming Pope.

That move led many to believe that Benedict was indeed a tough enforcer who would weed out the type of liberalism that has been seen as pervading the Jesuits (and other orders).

At the same time, Benedict has been on friendly terms with Cardinal Martini. Just two weeks ago, speaking to youth of Rome, the Pope had suggested to the young people that they read the Cardinal's expert writings on the Scriptures. Thus are indications that Benedict will continue to be a Pope of surprises.

"A Jesuit, Martini embodies the reformist spirit of Catholic progressives. He has for two decades been the 'great white hope' of that constituency, the man most of them would elect to the papacy if they had the chance," noted a liberal Catholic periodical.

Could he actually have made it to the top?

Obviously, he did not. But it was a reminder of what could crop up in the way of like-minded cardinals in the next papal election.

[see also: the Pope who never was, Vatican official: there'll be no change on condoms, Study could approve use of condoms for married couples with AIDS, Ex-Jesuit says devil's image wrong, and No change on when life begins]



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For your continued discussion.
1 posted on 04/26/2006 7:35:40 AM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 04/26/2006 7:36:45 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
PJII appointed almost all of the Cardinals who voted in the last Conclave, and they reflected his views in the selection of Pope Benedict.

I doubt he is going to pack the College of Cardinals with more liberals.

3 posted on 04/26/2006 7:43:37 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Salvation

We'd pray for the Holy Spirit's intervention to prevent a liberal set on destroying the Church from becoming Pope. Wait, that already happened, we have Ratzinger/Benedict and not Martini.


4 posted on 04/26/2006 7:45:16 AM PDT by Jaded (The truthshall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: Jaded

I have the feeling that a lot of people were praying for a sound and sensible decision.


5 posted on 04/26/2006 7:48:35 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Semper Paratus

Some of the things Martini has been saying don't make sense at all.

But it would seem that his motivation is jealousy/revenge. What do you think?


6 posted on 04/26/2006 7:49:36 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jaded

The anti-popes are coming!!!!!It will be interesting to see a pro-abortion pope say its okay to kill babies...Would that mean that all women will go to heaven,if they murder their children????After all,the pope said it was okay!!!!!


7 posted on 04/26/2006 7:49:51 AM PDT by fishbabe
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To: Jaded
We'd pray for the Holy Spirit's intervention to prevent a liberal set on destroying the Church from becoming Pope. Wait, that already happened, we have Ratzinger/Benedict and not Martini.

Amen.

8 posted on 04/26/2006 7:51:03 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: Salvation

Further evidence of how the Church is protected by the divine Hand of God. I wouldn't be surprised to learn of how many "near misses" there have been throughout history.


9 posted on 04/26/2006 7:52:07 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Salvation

Just goes to show you what a slender thread by which we all hang. Have another drink, Martini. And stay away from microphones.


10 posted on 04/26/2006 7:55:28 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Salvation

Euro secularism has been bleeding into the Catholic Hierarchy in Old Europe for many decades. It would not suprise me if the next Pope was an even more conservative African.


11 posted on 04/26/2006 7:57:06 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: fishbabe
No, an anti-pope would not adhere to the Commandments, and would be judged accordingly by God.

The biggest problem about an antipope is in the people having the wisdom and knowledge to avoid following such a person. (Real struggle for some Catholics)

But then look at today's Gospel! -- Catholic Caucus: Daily Mass Readings, 04-26-06

A warning to all -- live in the light!

12 posted on 04/26/2006 7:57:38 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: FourtySeven

Holy Spirit, protect us and guide us!


13 posted on 04/26/2006 7:58:42 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: FourtySeven
Further evidence of how the Church is protected by the divine Hand of God. I wouldn't be surprised to learn of how many "near misses" there have been throughout history.

Well said! Amen! Must be tons of near misses because sometimes what does happen seems gauntlet like.
14 posted on 04/26/2006 8:06:08 AM PDT by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: Salvation

Amen.


15 posted on 04/26/2006 8:06:51 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

I read an interesting story of a "near miss" many years ago. I wish I could remember the names involved...

As I recall, there was a monarch who wanted Rome to change a Canon to allow for something she wanted. The Pope refused. She had a cardinal who agreed with her. She had enough power to remove the Pope and secure the election of her cardinal. However, once in the seat, he couldn't do as she required of him and he died a martyr.


16 posted on 04/26/2006 8:10:44 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: Salvation

I think he's campaigning for the next election.


17 posted on 04/26/2006 8:28:31 AM PDT by Daffy
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To: fishbabe; FourtySeven; frogjerk; Daffy; Salvation; Semper Paratus; Jaded; karnage; klossg; ...
Catholic historian Warren Carroll has noted that a surprising number of popes in the last 2000 years have only lived a month or two, and then keeled over unexpectedly. This may be --- who knows? --- the Holy Spirit's way of protecting the Church, as He promised He would, from the official and authoritative pronouncement of error.

I would expect that any pope who wanted to OK abortion would probably get prompt and providential coronary, hopefully with enough time to repent. Or at least, a really, REALLY serious case of laryngitis.

Oh, and BTW, the article said, "a pontiff with views at strong variance with current policy."

The teachings against abortion, the deliberate killing of an innocent person, whether by medical or military means; homosexuality, contraception and other sexual perversions, etc.--- these are not just "current policy" (as if they were "positions" that could "change"!) These are permanent requirements of eternal moral law.

18 posted on 04/26/2006 8:40:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (A proud, practicing Homo sapiens.)
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To: Salvation
and it was all kick-started by a prominent Cardinal who many had on their short lists of papal candidates.

Maybe many in the AmChurch movement and the media, because he represents all they WISH the Catholic Church would be, but I'd never heard of the man, and never even thought about him as Pope. No one I know ever mentioned him, and I suspect the majority of CHURCH-GOING Catholics never considered him, either.

19 posted on 04/26/2006 8:41:32 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: pgyanke

What an interesting story. If you remember the details, notify me. Thanks.


20 posted on 04/26/2006 8:41:50 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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