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'Astonishing' skull unearthed in Africa
BBC Online ^ | 10 July, 2002 | Ivan Noble

Posted on 07/10/2002 1:00:11 PM PDT by Kermit

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Wednesday, 10 July, 2002, 18:00 GMT 19:00 UK

'Astonishing' skull unearthed in Africa
Chad hominid skull, MPFT
Toumai: Oldest ancestor? Image: MPFT
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By Ivan Noble
BBC News Online science staff
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This is a picture of the recently unearthed human-like skull which is being described as the most important find of its type in living memory.


It's the most important find in living memory

Henry Gee
Nature
It was found in the desert in Chad by an international team and is thought to be approximately seven million years old.

"I knew I would one day find it... I've been looking for 25 years," said Michel Brunet of the University of Poitiers, France.

Scientists say it is the most important discovery in the search for the origins of humankind since the first Australopithecus "ape-man" remains were found in Africa in the 1920s.

The newly discovered skull finally puts to rest any idea that there might be a single "missing link" between humans and chimpanzees, they say.

Messy evolution

Analysis of the ancient find is not yet complete, but already it is clear that it has an apparently puzzling combination of modern and ancient features.

Hominid family tree graphic, BBC
Henry Gee, senior editor at the scientific journal Nature, said that the fossil makes it clear how messy the process of evolution has been.

"It shows us there wasn't a nice steady progression from ancient hominids to what we are today," he told BBC News Online.

"It's the most important find in living memory, the most important since the australopithecines in the 1920s.

"It's amazing to find such a wonderful skull that's so old," he said.

  What is the skull's significance?

The skull is so old that it comes from a time when the creatures which were to become modern humans had not long diverged from the line that would become chimpanzees.

There were very few of these creatures around relative to the number of people in the world today, and only a tiny percentage of them were ever fossilised.

So despite all the false starts, failed experiments and ultimate winners produced by evolution, the evidence for what went on between 10 and five million years ago is very scarce.

Grandparent, great uncle, great aunt?

There will be plenty of debate about where the Chad skull fits into the incomplete and sketchy picture researchers have drawn for the origins of the human species.

Chad hominid jaw, MPFT
The hominid's jaw was found later
Image: MPFT

"A find like this does make us question the trees people have built up of human evolution," Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum told the BBC.

Sahelanthropus tchadensis, as the find has been named, may turn out to be a direct human ancestor or it may prove to be a member of a side branch of our family tree.

The team which found the skull believes it is that of a male, but even that is not 100% clear.

"They've called it a male individual, based on the strong brow ridge, but it's equally possible it's a female," said Professor Stringer.

  What the experts say

Future finds may make the whole picture of human evolution clearer.

"We've got to be ready for shocks and surprises to come," he said.

The Sahelanthropus has been nicknamed Toumai, a name often given to children born in the dry season in Chad.

Full details of the discovery appear in the journal Nature.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anthropology; archaeology; evolution; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; multiregionalism; neandertal; neanderthal; paleontology; replacement; skulls
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To: Dan Day
Thank you for the sane explanation. Now prepare to be flamed for thinking.
41 posted on 07/10/2002 8:59:26 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: MosesKnows
Doesn't it seem that in seven million years we should have advanced further than we have.

One would have hoped...

There's a great scene/line in the movie "Strange Days" that makes the same point.

Scene: Lenny (Ralph Feinnes) comes out of a store to see his car about to be towed away. He runs across the street to try to see if he can convince the tow truck driver to leave his car alone. As he runs up to the tow truck driver, calling out "wait, hold it, let's talk about this" in a non-threatening manner, the tow truck driver whips out a gun and sticks it in Lenny's face with a menacing glare.

Lenny rolls his eyes, shakes his head, and in an exasperated voice asks, "Two million years of human evolution, and *that's* the best idea you can come up with?"

42 posted on 07/10/2002 9:01:54 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Looks like they found quite a monkey there. Proves little except that you can find ape-like hominid fossils in Africa.

Look up the word "hominid" to see the flaw in your first sentence.

43 posted on 07/10/2002 9:03:30 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: Kermit
Question: How does one species beget another?

Mutation and natural selection are the explanations. Your're free to accept or reject them. The good thing about bi-sexual reproduction is that it increases the chances of favorable mutations catching on and spreading.
44 posted on 07/10/2002 9:03:45 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: VRWC_minion
Maybe someone could answer this for me. Man apparently went through all sorts of evolving while at the same time the ape never changed. That is something I don't get.

Apes have changed a lot, actually. There are roughly many differences between modern apes and X-million-year-old fossil apes as there are between modern humans and X-million-year-old hominid fossils.

45 posted on 07/10/2002 9:05:44 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: Dan Day
Thanks. Good to see left-brained surfers splitting hairs on jokes. LOL! I take it you figured out it wasn't a "monkey" in the technical sense either. [?] Any more illuminations?
Thanks for the anthropology lesson. Look up "joke" or "jocular" in a dictionary when you get a chance.
46 posted on 07/10/2002 9:06:05 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The good thing about bi-sexual reproduction is that it increases
the chances of favorable mutations catching on and spreading.

Nope that's not the "good" thing about it. ;-)

47 posted on 07/10/2002 9:06:32 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Kermit
Definitly female. (Jaw still moving.)
48 posted on 07/10/2002 9:15:55 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Kermit
Did the skull have a pelvis in it?
49 posted on 07/10/2002 9:18:42 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Kermit
Question: How does one species beget another?

One species doesn't exactly beget another. Another species happens when one group that is closely related to another STOPS begetting with the other group. Beagles and greyhounds are both varieties of the same species. If one of them changed so drastically that its offspring could no longer reproduce with the other they would then be two distinct species.

50 posted on 07/10/2002 11:27:20 PM PDT by powderhorn
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To: Kermit
"I knew I would one day find it... I've been looking for 25 years," said Michel Brunet of the University of Poitiers, France.

Mr. Brunet was later quoted as saying: "Now, if I could just find my $@&*$@%$ car keys!!"

51 posted on 07/10/2002 11:34:25 PM PDT by uglybiker
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To: MosesKnows
This proves it !!!! There is no GOD!!!!

If this is correct then so what! BUT!

52 posted on 07/10/2002 11:38:48 PM PDT by WKB
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To: Kermit
Here we go again. How many years will it take for this one to be declared a fraud?
53 posted on 07/10/2002 11:40:59 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: VRWC_minion
Man apparently went through all sorts of evolving while at the same time the ape never changed. That is something I don't get.

It's a bit easier to get when you consider that we didn't evolve from apes. Both apes and man evolved on separate paths from something else.

54 posted on 07/10/2002 11:41:22 PM PDT by powderhorn
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To: DrCarl
"...Why are you so afraid that the overwhelming evidence supporting human evolution will rock your world? It's okay. We evolved. Fit your Good into it somehow."

It takes real tolerance to believe your grandmother (add a few greats in there) was a lizard.

55 posted on 07/10/2002 11:43:06 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: DrCarl
"Were human advancement left to people like you, we'd not yet have figured out what to do with caves."

Many people, those who are able to believe mankind evolved from the lowest form of life. can identify with caves. There is all of that empty space to think about. Seriously, Doc, it takes more faith to believe the universe is a chance proposition than it does to believe that God created everything. By this reckoning, you must be a very religious person.

56 posted on 07/10/2002 11:46:25 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Kermit
Analysis of the ancient find is not yet complete, but already it is clear that it has an apparently puzzling combination of modern and ancient features.

That just bent the pin on my bullsh!t detector. Just what the world needs, yet another archeological find that turns out to be manufactured.
57 posted on 07/10/2002 11:47:21 PM PDT by pyx
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To: Sangamon Kid
Your questions to the good doc will probably only bring a request to put your questions into a test tube for him to examine and create a theory in 50 or 60 years.
58 posted on 07/10/2002 11:48:33 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: PatrickHenry
"There's no law that says every species must change into something else."

Come now. That is a very simple cop-out. If one species evolves, others must as well. Life is life. It doesn't pick and choose.

59 posted on 07/10/2002 11:50:31 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: DrCarl
"...Show me evidence that God exists."

The faithful don't need further evidence. For secular people, the evidence lies in the things around them. If that doesn't work you, just consider why there is so much opposition to something that doesn't exist.

60 posted on 07/10/2002 11:52:02 PM PDT by Don Myers
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