Posted on 09/18/2018 6:36:25 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
Showdown? In letter, Pelosi/Schumer/Schiff/Warner order intel agencies to ignore presidential order on declassification until consulting with Congres
I’m sure the FBI has already thought of that......preventing one I mean /s.
Wow... The Gang of Eight is now an official term. (?)
What the Hell?
Never mind the executive branch, they aren't even in charge of Congress.
Maybe he’s got a De Lorean
1) Get K confirmed, in case there is a constitutional dispute. I won't say "like the Nixon phenomenon," but obviously if Trump had to fire Rosenstein, the dark forces would start chanting the "Saturday Night Massacre" mantra. And remember that Dems would love to start impeachment and to increase the size of the SCOTUS.
2) In the midterms, elect not just R senators, but those who actually believe that the people, not bureaucrats, rule. Trump knows how hard it is to replace corrupt people without decent support in the senate.
Swallwell claims that Wray and RR said that by declassifying, Trump had crossed a red line. Swallwell is not the most honest person around, though.
Executive branch has full authority to do this.
Legislature has none.
Courts have none.
Defend USConstitution or die.
“Does anyone here still seriously believe we can peacefully coexist with these people?”
We could if they wanted to. They don’t so we can’t.
-—Does anyone here still seriously believe we can peacefully coexist with these people?-—
Yes
There are Freepers who insist that the Christian way is to not resist or act in any way against the bad guys. “We don’t do that”
In essence, they are promoting co existence
“The Gang of Eight”
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Sounds like something out of Communist China.
The Alphabets (FBI, CIA, IRS, NSA) fall under the Executive Branch of Government. Since when can the minority party of the Legislative Branch order anything of any department of the Executive Branch?
Sounds impeachable to me.
Go pound sand.
5.56mm
This is an amazing turn of events! MAGA!
Being something of an amateur graphologist, those signatures are interesting, sort of amusing actually. Nancy Pelosi is so child-like and girlish, surprised she didn’t dot her “I” with a heart. Chuck Schumer, image conscious, starts off with a bang, ends with a whimper, not good at followthrough. Adam Schiff, what an improbably gigantic ego this man has, oh how important he believes himself to be. Mark Warner, spiky, spidery, anger, possibly a little schizophrenic.
Great points.
Pay no attention to that Constitution over there. Soon it won’t bother us. The Great Ozzes have spoken.
They think they can order an intel agency to do their bidding?
If one or both of you think any president has the power to declassify anything they chose at anytime they chose, then you are seriously deluded. In this specific case, President Trump probably has the authority to declassify.
But do you also believe that a president can declassify any military secrets they care to declassify, or any information involving the activities of our intelligence agencies? Do you think FDR could have declassified the D-Day invasion plans before the invasion took place?
There are many classified matters now and in the past that, should a president have declassified them, he’d likely have been impeached and removed from office. A president does not have absolute power to declassify classified information.
The main point I made, to which you both overreacted, was that the Dims are trying to claim that these FISA documents and other documents are matters of grave national security concerns and should not be declassified. That’s probably 99.9% self-serving, ass covering BS and should be ignored. They are, predictably, cynically misusing what is often a legitimate concern related to declassification.
But there will still be some details of the documents that will not be declassified, just as some bureaucrats convinced Trump that all the JFK assassination documents still should not be declassified after more than fifty years.
President’s don’t have any absolute power to declassify anything they chose, and that’s as it should be. If you want to think otherwise, then so be it.
Since you seem to be so fired up with indignation over the powers of the Executive Branch of government, let me remind you that the president is the Chief Executive and therefore the deciding factor in the operations of the Executive Branch.
He is also the Command in Chief of the armed forces which gives to him the direction powers of that force. All of this means he is Chief Honcho of anything that has to do with the Executive Branch of our government. The FBI and the Justice Department fall under the jurisdiction of the Executive branch. They are therefore under the command of the president. If he wishes to question any act or custom of the various agencies under his command, he has the power to do so. It is the president’s decision, NOT the congress’s attempts to encroach upon or invalidate his powers which must prevail under the Constitution.
You have called into question the president’s power to declassify any military secrets by asking if FDR could have declassified the D Day invasion plans before June 6, 1944, the day of invasion. You seem to think this is a power play which he could not make. I will cite a situation prior to D Day of which you evidently have no knowledge. FDR CONCEALED from the State Department all knowledge of our entry into the European war on November 8, 1942 in what is known as OPERATION TORCH. FDR claimed the State Department was “like a sieve.” In other words, the state department could not be trusted with anything without leaking it to the whole world. Operation Torch was under the command of General George Patton who landed near Casablanca on the Atlantic coast of North Africa. The British forces and British=American forces landed on the Mediterranean side near Algiers. The invasion was a complete surprise to the French and German forces thanks to FDR’s unconventional action.
I happen to think you are just a bit too much on the side of the obstructionists who are attempting to delegitimize our duly elected president, Donald J. Trump. Leadership is too often neglected in order to take the smooth or uncomplicated path.
History proves that true leadership is exhibited by those who know and take the risks for the betterment of their country. Donald Trump exhibits the qualities of George Patton, our winningest General, not those of the poppycock Bernard Montgomery, and Thank God for that!
Since you seem to be so fired up with indignation over the powers of the Executive Branch of government, let me remind you that the president is the Chief Executive and therefore the deciding factor in the operations of the Executive Branch.
He is also the Command in Chief of the armed forces which gives to him the direction powers of that force. All of this means he is Chief Honcho of anything that has to do with the Executive Branch of our government. The FBI and the Justice Department fall under the jurisdiction of the Executive branch. They are therefore under the command of the president. If he wishes to question any act or custom of the various agencies under his command, he has the power to do so. It is the president’s decision, NOT the congress’s attempts to encroach upon or invalidate his powers which must prevail under the Constitution.
You have called into question the president’s power to declassify any military secrets by asking if FDR could have declassified the D Day invasion plans before June 6, 1944, the day of invasion. You seem to think this is a power play which he could not make. I will cite a situation prior to D Day of which you evidently have no knowledge. FDR CONCEALED from the State Department all knowledge of our entry into the European war on November 8, 1942 in what is known as OPERATION TORCH. FDR claimed the State Department was “like a sieve.” In other words, the state department could not be trusted with anything without leaking it to the whole world. Operation Torch was under the command of General George Patton who landed near Casablanca on the Atlantic coast of North Africa. The British forces and British=American forces landed on the Mediterranean side near Algiers. The invasion was a complete surprise to the French and German forces thanks to FDR’s unconventional action.
I happen to think you are just a bit too much on the side of the obstructionists who are attempting to delegitimize our duly elected president, Donald J. Trump. Leadership is too often neglected in order to take the smooth or uncomplicated path.
History proves that true leadership is exhibited by those who know and take the risks for the betterment of their country. Donald Trump exhibits the qualities of George Patton, our winningest General, not those of the poppycock Bernard Montgomery, and Thank God for that!
Presidents are not simply subject to the constitution, but also subject to the laws passed by previous congresses and signed by previous presidents that have remained in effect. And rest assured there are many laws that addresses how classified information is to be handled. The president and congress are subject to those laws.
I agree President Trump has the authority to declassify the documents in question, but he has that authority because several bureaucracies have exceeded their authority by withholding documents congressional oversight committees have a right to review unredacted. He does not have any blanket authority to declassify anything he might like to declassify,nor does any president.
I happen to think you are just a bit too much on the side of the obstructionists who are attempting to delegitimize our duly elected president, Donald J. Trump.
One of the dumbest statements you'll ever make.
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