Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
This is a flat out lie!
Only a parent can do anything legally for a minor; that is the maening of "minor."
If you’re mad about that, wait until Card Check is passed.
All these leftist bills and policies coming down and yet the trolls defend Barry as tenaciously as ever. All the while claiming to be conservatives.
William Ayers runs most of Annenberg.
There's plenty of evidence that the FactCheck CoLB is a fraudulent.
For starters, it has an improper Seal "stamped" on the document. It has a 2006/2008 seal instead of the correct 2007 state seal. The Registrar's stamp said the CoLB was issued by the DoH on June 6th, 2007.
The Hawaiian Department of Health used different variations of the design of the Official State Seal as one of their security measures to help pinpoint forgeries.
So, the proper seal design has match the year the CoLB was issued from the DoH.
By law, if the CoLB is without a seal, or a phony seal, it is not a valid Certification of Live Birth.
I defy Obama show that CoLB that appeared in the FactCheck photos in a Court of law.
No, I don’t. My mother might. I have something similar to the COLB.
That said, you are talking about a completely different issue. The claim here is that any doctor should remember every baby they ever delivered, and that is absurd.
I wouldn’t waste a lot of energy going point-by-point with that newbie. He seems to have signed on just to plague eligibility threads. I violated my iron rule not to post to trolls just because he’s new but that’s the last time. He knows all the facts you cited but he’ll proceed to use weasel words and BS to try to refute them, just wait and see.
Giggle. Thanks
On June 12, after the COLB was posted he made this comment, which concluded:
"Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data."
I don't think he ever changed his position on the issue after that.
You’re welcome.
Michael Michael, and sometime lurker are both retread trolls.
Everything they have posted has been already disproven talking point lies, like the nonsense about a minor’s citizenship not mimicing the parent.
No I did not. And this has already been detailed. The "fact" is not there for all to see because it didn't happen.
None of that equates to "fraud", which means a conscious effort to deceive.
Evidently you did not read all the meanings I posted for fraud. Synonyms count, too. 'Humbug' = fraud is the same as 'nonsense'. Your intent was obvious to me. But I will not argue this point any longer.
Birther" is a label which even some birthers have used.
That's an excuse and a rationalization. Blacks call each other n*, too, so do you parrot that?
What we are seeing here again is that some people cannot distinguish between honest disagreement and dishonesty.
Yes, but I have a very good 'distinguisher' after decades of teaching college and 18 or so years on the internet.
Notice that because you sometimes add to the discussion, I have been direct with you but not brutal.
No wonder you’re hitting ‘em so hard!
So why not refer them to the other post and repost the bold phrases only? Consider my idea and comment a friendly reminder about 'ducks'.
I think you have incorrectly categorized at least one of these.
Are you objecting to being left off the list?
The United States Library of Congress has selected The Obama File for inclusion in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises.Thanks LucyT, and congratulations Beckwith!
Obama should be held to the **same** standard of proof of other presidents!
Other presidents had entire **communities** of people ( neighbors, friends, and relatives) who knew the family and their origins. Our former presidents could point to armies of people who visited the mom and newborn soon after birth, who attended christenings, brought meals to to the new parents, watched the newborn grow into babyhood, childhood, and adulthood. Some could even testify of being present at the actual birth.
I am 62 years old, and I still have living relatives and friends of the family who visited me and my mom in the hospital, attended my christening, and watched me grow from a newborn to adult.
Hey!....Obama can't point to this type of self-evident evidence??? Gee! Well,...How about a **lesser** form of evidence? How about producing a valid birth certificate, adoption records, passports, and college admission forms!!!
Instead of addressing the issue of his citizenship, Obama denigrates, and coolly dismisses, every American citizen by claiming they have “no standing” to know of his origins. Shame on him!
I am also hesitant to use the t-word as often others. Especially in cases when the real problem may just be an over-reliance on Occam's Razor.
And shame on us for allowing this usurper to be thrust upon us.
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