Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
They did.
And were DENIED. - Just like every other request for information on 0bama, such as his college transcripts, thesis, etc, etc...
See my response #737 for confirmation.
143 posted on February 06, 2009 12:22:02 AM by SlapHappyPappy
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Do you have a copy of your long form birth certificate?
If you do, does it have the doctor's signature and the name of your birth hospital on it? Thanks. mirse
Obama’s mother’s social security number was originally issued to another woman who is still alive and using it. She did not know it was being used by someone else from what I understand. I know this happens; but what I don’t understand is why no one especially our fine(LOL) government never caught it or if they did; why did they not do something about it?
I was born a very long time ago and I can tell you the name of my doctor.
“Obama’s mother’s social security number was originally issued to another woman who is still alive and using it.”
Wow, never read that. I am interested...do you have a source on that?
If you're so Kapiolani hospital keeps records back to 1961, call them and ask.
Good for you. I was born only 32 years ago and I can't. Most people I know can't, either.
That’s difference between my generation and yours. We know stuff and you don’t.
Dr. Orly(s) discovered it.
How exactly does knowing the name of the doctor who delivered you help you in your day to day life?
Thanks.
Here’s a list of other information that people have “simply picked up the telephone and requested” but have been denied...
Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certificate of Live Birth — Released — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Fransiskus Assisi School School application — Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan) — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
Do you see a pattern here?
We have a President that has no discernible paper trail! Who has done nothing, and won’t tell us anything about himself.
I guess there’s nothing to see here, we should just move on....
the long form birth certificate that was demanded after the Obama campaign had already released the copy of his short form
And when exactly did his “campaign” release a copy of his “short form,” i.e. Certification of Live Birth? The only thing we saw was Fight the Smears, Fact Check and Kos digitally-fabricated images of a semblance of a Certification form with Obama’s alleged personal information on it. NO ONE has been shown a paper Certification of Live Birth by the Obama camp, ever.
Your subjectivity is showing. The term "credible news outlet" obviously means something important to you, but it is instructive to recall that even mainstream outlets have problems. The term "credible" as you use it is subjective, relative, and ultimately meaningless in logical argument. Unless you want to defend Dan Rather and the lengthy period that FR had CBS by the b*lls over the falsified (but as you may recall true, according to Dan Rather!) GWB ANG papers a couple of years ago.
That he changed his name has not been substantiated.
I'm sorry, are you denying that Obama went by the name Barry Sotero for several years during his youth??
That he lived in Muslim country for four years as a child is not relevant to his eligibility, and it is simply not true that US citizens could not attend public schools in Indonesia.
Unless it affects his allegiance and his citizenship status, as in renouncing his citizenship and not ever reclaiming it.
He has responded to numerous lawsuits asking for his birth certificate by filing defense motions to dismiss. That is certainly distinct from "not at all (evasive)."
From Mirriam Webster Online:
intransitive verb1: to slip away2: to take refuge in escape or avoidancetransitive verb1: to elude by dexterity or stratagem2 a: to avoid facing up to b: to avoid the performance of : dodge , circumvent ; especially : to fail to pay (taxes) c: to avoid answering directly : turn aside
I assert Obama is evading requests for his birth certificate, where I use evade in the sense of M-W as given above. Therefore I assert that Obama is being evasive. I assert that there is nothing incorrect with my use of the word evasive here.
When someone files a firivolous lawsuit against you, the proper course of action is to file a motion to dismiss. There is nothing evasive about it. Frivolous? You are showing your subjectivity and spin (again). Where are you drawing that all these lawsuits have been deemed frivolous by courts of law? In the SC, most of them have been remanded to lower courts for further action. I would agree however that your defense of Obama to date could be characterized as "frivolous."
Filing a motion to dismiss is not synonyous with evasiveness.
It is if you are President, have something about your qualifications that you desperately want hidden, to the point of filing many legal arguments and briefs rather than dig in the closet and spend $4 to fax a document to the press or $50 to send a certified copy to a court.
Not true. Thanks for that Michelle.
The Kenyan disavows all such claims.
Only after making the claims to a reporter and then seeing the firestorm of negative publicity-- an understandable reaction, but he made the claims.
Not being a native English speaker, he was confused by radio talk show host's questions and answered incorrectly.
That's absurd and a last ditch rationalization. Ambassadors to the US who can't speak English?? Hello?? Why, next you will claim that he can't tie his shoes or add or subtract? Sorry, the tape and transcript stand as undeniable evidence in favor of Obama being born in Kenya. You are suggesting the Ambassador is incompetent which is insulting to Kenya and by Occam's razor not very credible or likely.
Even if he had made such a claim, it would be meaningless, since he is in no position to have any special information on Obama's birth place.
Again he is Ambassador to Kenya, not just any guy on the street. You are insulting Kenya by suggesting he is not in command of his intellect or uninformed or both.
Seeing as how the courts have dismissed all the cases they have ruled on, these affidavits don't seem to have much credibility.
Some of them have been dismissed but some have been remanded to lower courts. There is a difference. Are you a lawyer? Do you understand law? Please provide proof (citations) that all the cases have been dismissed as you claim, if you want to claim that here.
No it can't. Hospitals don't keep records that long.
Unproven-- and not relevant to the main issues, even if eventually shown to be the case.
As far as I know, they've filed two routine motions to dimiss, which is the only way to respond to lawsuits such as this. All campaigns have lawyers working on retainer, which means they get paid a fixed amount per month to handle routine work like this. As a result, it is highly unlikely the motions to dimiss cost Obama anything extra. It would almost certainly be covered under the retainer. Furthermore, filing a motion to dismiss a frivolous lawsuit does not constitute an attempt to shield information. It is the only way to respond.
Retainers are just pre-paid sums, not a rate like insurance. You are wrong. Obama via his campaign (ultimately he is responsible for his campaign fundraising and disbursement of funds, directly or otherwise) is paying his lawyers to file his papers on his behalf. This is what lawyers do, file papers and make arguments on behalf of their clients, for money. Check out response #737 in this regard too.
For a person whose nom de net is curiosity, you actually seem very unaware, very skeptical, or very indifferent to each and every issue surrounding Obama's alleged legitimate claims to be a natural born citizen and otherwise qualified to be President (and we have not even delved into issues such as his draft registration). Are you paid to argue here on Obama's behalf?
They do seem like an organized group—or even the same person—don’t they?
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