CONGRATULATIONS BECKWITH!
The United States Library of Congress has selected The Obama File for inclusion in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises.
Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
Why argue with these 0 defenders over strawman nitpicking items they use for bait? You are right, Polarik--we should keep the ignore button on. Are they too dumb to realize they too will lose their freedom if they don't fight him, not birthers?
Amazing how these detractors accuse one side of doing precisely and exactally what they do. Quite interesting.
I can respect your point of view too, but my query is this.
We know chapter and verse on the origins of every President to date - except Barack Obama - of whom we have NO witnesses whatsoever to corroborate the claim that he was born in Hawaii. We have counterclaims from live relatives that he was born in Mombassa, but no documentary evidence either way.
There is a document that could potentially resolve the query, but 0bama won’t release it.
No hospital in Hawaii makes the prestigious claim to be his birthplace, in fact there is total silence in Hawaii about his origins.
Something doesn’t smell quite right, does it?
If any are part of the 0-team, they will hope to be the ones on top when the dust settles.
The United States Library of Congress has selected The Obama File for inclusion in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises.
Utter Rubbish.
Firstly, It is claimed by his cheerleaders that 0bama has already made his birth location public information.
Second, the hospital you were born in doesn't constitute "private health information". HIPPA provides confidentiality about your health condition. Presumably, we can safely assume 0bama was born somewhere, if he wasn't, then we have a whole different set of problems..
And he has whined to them ad nauseum. Yes, he doesn't miss an opportunity. Much of it's observations based on his posting behavior, which he perceived as an attack on him and not always the case.
I don't see how making the moderators aware of such instances constitutes whining.
He never misses the opportunity to be affronted.
So what exactly are you saying here?
You should be able figure it out.
The real source of frustration seems to be the inability of some to construct any sort of argument. So instead they just lash out at the person. And I don't see that as being any fault of mlo's.
LoL. Many have constructed arguments against him.
Six months after they wed, another letter arrived in Kenya, announcing the birth of Barack Hussein Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961. Despite her husband's continued anger, Sarah Obama said in a recent interview, she "was so happy to have a grandchild in the U.S."
She first met her stepson, US President-elect Barack Obama, when he visited Kogelo village in 1988. Keziah says she was "delighted to see him" and that they have since communicated on a number of occasions.
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Keziah says she was happy to have a co-wife, and her husband kept her updated. He informed her when Barack Obama Junior was born.
Can you name anyone who had ever actually contacted someone of authority in his campaign and asked if he would release it? Or if it would be possible for him to release a copy of the original that’s been claimed he mentions in one of his books?
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Larry Sinclair
There have been no conflicting reports as to the location of any other President's birth. The most recent former President, George W. Bush, has only one reported birthplace, Grace New Haven Community Hospital in New Haven, Conn. Obama has at least three hospitals reported in the press, Kapoliani and Queens in Honolulu, Hawaii, and Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Name another President that has three reported birthplaces, one outside the United States, and name another President who went to a Muslim country and changed his name and attended a public school that only accepted non-U.S. citizens. The argument that Obama presented no less evidence means nothing if Obama is not in fact qualified to be President under the Constitution. Nothing at all. It is a red herring.
Not at all. He has always said he was born in Hawaii.
He has responded to numerous lawsuits asking for his birth certificate by filing defense motions to dismiss. That is certainly distinct from "not at all (evasive)." That is the epitomy of being evasive. He is evading the question via the legal evasive maneuver of challenging standing. Hello?
Not true. All that is happening is that some fringe internet sites with zero credibility are reporting unsubstantiated rumors of a birth in Kenya. That's it.
Some of his family members are on record as witnessing his birth in Kenya. The Kenya Ambassador to the US is on record as claiming he was born in Kenya. Other citizens have signed affidavits that he was born in Kenya and those are on file in U.S. courts-- no need for any formal regurgitation by any secondary sources including any news media. None of this has happened to any other recent President.
I'll give you that one. There appears to have been some confusion as the precise hospital. I don't see why that matters, however, given that the hospital is irrelevant to his eligibility.
It matters because the creation of uncertainty of his exact location of birth dilutes whatever premise of legitimacy and authority his overall claim has. A hallmark of an untruth is that the more specifically it is checked, the more vague the untruth becomes. This is because the untruth is just that, untruthful. The hospital is relevant to Obama's claim that he was born in Honolulu because such information can be used to cross check the claim that he is qualified to be President. Conversely, without the hospital information, it is much more difficult to cross check the claim that he is qualified to be President.
Your premise that he his hiring lawyers to shield information is not true.
Wow. Lawyers are filing motions to dismiss in several of the cases filed to comple release of Obama's qualifications (if any) to be President under the NBC clause of the U.S. Constitution. Someone pays these lawyers. Are you saying none of these lawyers are filing motions to dismiss under Obama's direct or indirect knowledge and consent, if not payment? Or are you saying that Obama has some higher motive than shielding information?
CONGRATULATIONS BECKWITH!
The United States Library of Congress has selected The Obama File for inclusion in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises.
Not a problem...after my response, it occurred to me that might be the case but I figured you’d respond if so(and I got the joke that since no proof exists of how much was spent on legal fees, then it might as well be nothing).
Not to belabor the point (which of course means that is exactly what I am going to :) ), I should also note that fighting a lawsuit, even with a “simple motion to dismiss”, does usually require more than just filing the motion: briefs, replies, and usually appearances and hearings, preparing the order and other “administrative” tasks, not to mention meetings and research, etc., are typical. With Obama BC, in many cases, there have been appeals as well, which require additional responses, briefs, letters, meetings, etc., and sometimes appearances. So legal fees and costs can quickly add up with members of We, Cheatum and Smile, LLP doing the billing (subject to the number of suits Obama was named in and any retainer terms - other previously discussed issues).
The process is just not as quick, easy, and economical as some seem to think.
And I maintain the loss of trust of many Americans is the biggest cost - even if technically he is not required to produce it.
Anyway, I’m done on this issue. Thanks for the clarification and have a good night/morning.
ppsssttt....not Kenya, look Northward, NW, then North
I sure can.
mlo, "Nobody walks in to a court and says, oh, you may not have a need for this, but here's my birth certificate just in case it comes up.
None of these cases have made it to the point it would be necessary to produce anything. I don't see your point. "
Oh, he sees my point he just doesn't want to acknowledge it.
An honest president who has nothing to hide would have shown his long form birth certificate or even his short form COLB to a court of law to end this charade...long ago. So why has Obama not shown his birth certificate in court? The obvious answer, Occam's razor, is he was not born in the US of A. Sherlock Holmes would agree. Do you know why? If so, tell us we've been waiting a long time.
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