Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
I've heard this crap dozens of times. And, if they insist on continuing to ping me, I will continue to slap them down every time. They are all talk.
Yep! I like that better.
When I clicked the link, I got that as well, until I moved the pages up and down a bit, and then the print appeared.
So do reporters count? Jim Geraghty of National Review asked for it during the campaign. As you have already been told earlier on this thread, in #737. And so did other reporters.
Geraghty then saw Factcheck's version via photos which he accepted as valid. In June he writes that Obama could debunk a lot of rumors by making his birth certificate public. National Review
So other people who are asking for 'transparency' are making a reasonable request, IMO. Such a request is independent of their being pro or con regarding the authenticity of the COLB.
This is how it goes:
Constitutional defender states:
“Where are Obama’s witnesses? Every other president's natural born status was **self evident** due to the huge number of witnesses to the standing of his family in the community. Where are the neighbors, friends, and relatives that visited the newborn in the hospital and home, took meals to the family, attended the christening, and watched his parents and the child grow in the community? Where are the doctors, midwives, or nurses who attended the birth?
Stillbirther responds:
“ As a doctor who has delivered “X” number of babies in 1972, I don't remember any of them!”
( Variation #2) Stillbirther responds:
“The Constitution says nothing about a doctor or nurse witnessing the birth.”
El Gato and Slappy Pappy, do you get it? The stillbirthers are throwing out a red herring, focusing in on one tiny aspect, and too many of those who defend Constitution are running like a pact of distracted dogs after it!
Other presidents had **mountains** of self-evident evidence that they were natural born. Obama has presented NONE!
It is an outrage that our courts have ruled that the common citizen has “no standing” to see that their president is natural born.
I call them the “Afterbirthers”.
“Troll” is too nice a term for these tramplers of the Constitution.
Michael wrote: Interesting.
If I Google "Illinois Assembly encyclopedia," I get zero hits.
When I Googled "Barack Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii to Harvard," I got a dozen hits. Some of the websites that this phrase appears on cite Wikipedia as the source.
1,038 posted on Sun 08 Feb 2009 03:28:18 AM EST by Michael Michae
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Michael: this is mirse.
1. You could be right and I could be wrong: It seems I misread the article on the web. The article I read really refers to a Wikipedia article and not to an article in a non-existent Illinois Assembly Encyclopedia.
2. In summary, it seems that there is no Illinois Assembly Encyclopedia. It was just my imagination gone wild.
3. In reality, it was an article in Wikipedia encyclopedia that I was reading all along but I didn't know it.
4. Again, thanks for correcting my error about the non-existent Illinois Assembly Encyclopedia.
5. I'll do some more research on the web to try to find out any information about Obama and Queens hospital. If I find any interesting information, I will get back to you.
Trolls won’t read my report, yet they say my claims are not fully supported. Are they so mentally challenged that they do not realize what comes out of their mouths? Somebody let mre know because I don’t want to take advantage or make fun of anyone with such debilitating disabilities.
They are only pretending to be dumb to frustrate and exhaust those who defend the Constitution. This tactic is pure Saul Alinsky.
It was humor. Shoulda tagged it as such for the humor impaired...
Decision in lawsuit in NH claiming John McCain was not natural born.
Presented to the court by plaintiff as his authentic birth certificate, do a search as this defaults to the main page.
When I see the hours some of them keep here, it suggests to me that either 1)they have no life or b)they have ulterior motives. To me, the best policy is to simply ignore them.
If any troll thinks that Obama's bogus COLB is a real scan of a genuine COLB, all he has to do is to show me how it can be done naturally. I said SHOW ME and not freakin' talk me to death.
That's been my challenge since Day One, and every FReeper who has been on here since June knows that.
Enough talk, trolls. Either show me or shut up.
The most logical explanation is that they are **paid**.
It is their **paid job** to be on these message boards.
I strongly suspect that many are paid Obam attorneys and public relations people.
Being paid to subvert a blog is definitely an ulterior motive! And we were warned by the PUMA’s that it would happen, though I realize the PUMA’s turned out to be a big letdown.
You’re entirely welcome. My own policy, when one starts to get under my skin, is to simply hit the “ignore” button. If nobody bothered with them, they’d go away.
***I don’t have an “ignore” button. Mine says “Read and Forget”...it’s a rather large button.***
Trolls always say that they read my report, but that they “couldn’t read through all of it,” that it is “nonsense” or a “mess.”
I’ve heard this crap dozens of times. And, if they insist on continuing to ping me, I will continue to slap them down every time. They are all talk.
***I think they are the ones who used the “cliff notes” for a book report.***
I’ve learned from decades of experience never to challenge my wife’s memory. So from a male perspective, this degree of specificity regarding words spoken nearly 50 years ago seems most suspect. But then again, what I forget and what my wife can remember would probably fill a book.
Stanley admittedly is an unusual name for a mother, but even conceding that point, how could someone remember this kind of minutiae for 5 decades? It would be a very different matter had there been good reason to reinforce the memory, such as reading about “mama Stanley” and her mixed-race son in the local paper 2-3 years later. But that’s not at all what happened. Like most moms, Stanley didn’t appear in local papers, she wasn’t a local celebrity, she soon moved to Indonesia etc.
So my challenge is to women (above a certain age): can ANY of you remember ANY conversation from 1961 with this degree of specificity? Does hearing that a woman had such a memory pass the basic “sniff test” of authenticity, or does it set off alarm bells? Just curious.
It really isn’t working for them, though. Obama’s approval rating slips again:
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