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To: El Gato; SlapHappyPappy
Don't you see the debating tactic that the stillbirthers are using here?

This is how it goes:

Constitutional defender states:
“Where are Obama’s witnesses? Every other president's natural born status was **self evident** due to the huge number of witnesses to the standing of his family in the community. Where are the neighbors, friends, and relatives that visited the newborn in the hospital and home, took meals to the family, attended the christening, and watched his parents and the child grow in the community? Where are the doctors, midwives, or nurses who attended the birth?

Stillbirther responds:
“ As a doctor who has delivered “X” number of babies in 1972, I don't remember any of them!”

( Variation #2) Stillbirther responds:
“The Constitution says nothing about a doctor or nurse witnessing the birth.”

El Gato and Slappy Pappy, do you get it? The stillbirthers are throwing out a red herring, focusing in on one tiny aspect, and too many of those who defend Constitution are running like a pact of distracted dogs after it!

Other presidents had **mountains** of self-evident evidence that they were natural born. Obama has presented NONE!

It is an outrage that our courts have ruled that the common citizen has “no standing” to see that their president is natural born.

1,086 posted on 02/08/2009 6:44:55 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
El Gato and Slappy Pappy, do you get it? The stillbirthers are throwing out a red herring, focusing in on one tiny aspect, and too many of those who defend Constitution are running like a pact of distracted dogs after it!

Sure do, and I call them on it. If you check back you'll see several posts where I state that Obama should have been treated "differently", because he is different. What other modern, or not so modern, President had a father who was not a US Citizen, never became one, and was just a non-immigrant legal alien (aka nonresident alien) What other modern US President had a foreign citizen stepfather and went to foreign schools for some very formative years?

None and none.

At the very least he should have had greater scrutiny, and have been required to provide documentation as to his eligibility to both state and federal election officials.

1,120 posted on 02/08/2009 10:07:55 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: wintertime
  "Other presidents had **mountains** of self-evident evidence that they were natural born."   Can you show me even **foothills** of evidence that JFK was natural born?  Can you point me to the affidavits of these people that are the neighbors, friends, and relatives that visited the newborn in the hospital and home, took meals to the family and brought him gold, and frankincense, and myrrh?

Hey, I'm an old guy and it takes a lot to get me excited these days.  Personally I think it would be a blast to discover that Obama is not eligible. That would be a constitutional crises of epic proportion and frankly, I'd like to see how it would play out.  It would certainly be the largest political science/history classroom in the history of the planet.  We could sell tickets to graduates and charge tuition to students to all the stadiums with Jumbo-Trons to watch the conclusion and collect enough money to pay for our entire national debt.  Well, it might have to go to syndication and reruns to earn that much, but you get my point.

Still, my position is that I have not seen any, let alone enough evidence that convinces me Obama is not a natural born American.  

Hurry up and call me, a guy that has voted 100% GOP since he was 21 starting in 1972 & in every national election since, a troll, a marxist, a noob, an obamabot, a plain ole bot or any of those other cute terms you guys use.  It hurts my feelings so much...  it makes my cry... :-)

1,197 posted on 02/08/2009 10:12:58 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (Online internet polls are foolish: Winston Churchill, 1939)
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