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Posted on 02/05/2009 7:52:01 PM PST by MindBender26
Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”
Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?
Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”
Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.
Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.
If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.
But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.
That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”
But there is a second, and perhaps new point!
Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?
Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?
Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?
What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!
What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!
Anybody ?!?!?!
Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!
Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?
Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.
Is this the same situation?
What the Dallas Morning News has on their website isn't anything that was provided by McCain or his campaign.
You didn't see mcCain cry about it either.
What they have is a scanned image that was sourced from Donald Lamb, who claims to be the legal representative of the Panama Railroad Company in New York, and who had lived in Panama.
If that is in fact a scan of McCain's true birth certificate, the long form certificate and other documents
Yes, ok. We're still awaiting for Obama to show his real birth certificate that he has hidden. And of course it's a scan so what. No one ever thought it was not a scan of a genuine BC.
other documents also provided by Lamb directly contradict McCain's claim that he was born at the hospital on the Coco Solo Naval Air Station.
If McCain was found not to be an eligible president (moot point now) by the courts because he was not born in the US then that was OK with me.
So now, are you still sure that the Dallas Morning News has a copy of McCain's birth certificate? Because if you are, then there's far more to question regarding McCain's place of birth than Obama's.
No one claimed it was a forgery unlike, Obama the turd, who hides his past like no other public official. Why won't Obama show his real birth certificate to a court of law? Again the obvious answer. He's foreign born.
McCain's claim that he was born at the hospital on the Coco Solo Naval Air Station.
I was in the military and many areas (sites) that were away from the main base(s) but were still under US military administration. Are you sure the hospital was not?
Your Messiah has a weaker case as an NBC than McCain did.
It's not my job to do someone else's homework for them.
Nope, it's because even you realize that they weren't using one seal design in March, 2007, and a different design in June, 2007.
Here's your chance to get the answers from the DoH, and you're afraid to. Typical.
But he was a foreigner.
the words "foreigner" and alien" are not subordinate to the following clause.
and those words do not modify.
“In other other words, there’s absolutely no reason to bring politics to the table when discussing these fundamental issues.”
OK, keep parsing words anyway you like.
Until Ono can settle the question, which he probably can not,
I will consider him an invalid president.
It would be so easy for him to authorize the release of
the full certificate. Just one phone call would do it.
I really don’t see how you leftist can continue to obfuscate, but that is what Marxist do best.
[it's sort of an ‘inappropriately giggling during your own execution’ kind of thing]
In Elk, they ruled that birthright citizenship was only confered upon those that fell completely within the jurisdiction of the United States, and owing it "direct and immediate allegiance".
The Wong decision simply ignored the rulings laid down in the Elk and even Slaughterhouse decisions.
As I reported earlier, the McCain campaign has declined to publicly release the senator's birth certificate. But a senior campaign official showed me a copy of his birth certificate issued by the "family hospital" in the Coco Solo submarine base. (McCain's grandfather commanded the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in 1936; his father was the executive officer of a submarine based in Coco Solo.)
The birth certificate was signed by Captain W. L. Irvine. I have now checked that name against the Naval Register for 1936, and I find that William Lorne Irvine was director of the medical facility at the submarine base hospital in Coco Solo, Panama Canal Zone, during that time period. You can see the entry here. I think this effectively disposes of any remaining doubts that McCain was born inside the Canal Zone.
The honorable Senator from Michigan has given this subject, I have no doubt, a good deal of his attention, and I am really desirous to have a legal definition of "citizenship of the United States." What does it mean? What is its length and breadth? I would be glad if the honorable Senator in good earnest would favor us with some such definition. Is the child of the Chinese immigrant in California a citizen? Is the child of a Gypsy born in Pennsylvania a citizen?
The proposition before us, I will say, Mr. President, relates simply in that respect to the children begotten of Chinese parents in California, and it is proposed to declare that they shall be citizens. We have declared that by law; now it is proposed to incorporate the same provision in the fundamental instrument of the nation. I am in favor of doing so. I voted for the proposition to declare that the children of all parentage whatever, born in California, should be regarded and treated as citizens of the United States...
I hope that amendment to the amendment will not be adopted. Indians born within the limits of the United States and who maintain their tribal relations, are not, in the sense of this amendment, born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. They are regarded, and always have been in our legislation and jurisprudence, as being quasi foreign nations.
The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.
Howard agreed. Trumball also said,
“It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens…”
The "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means only those that fell completely within the jurisdiction of the United States. Not "owing allegiance to anyone else" applies to native Americans as well foreigners from other countries.
During the debate over the Naturalization Act of 1870, there were Representatives that argued that the 14th Amendment did provide foreigners a de-facto right to obtain citizenship. This contention was not disputed.
That’s pretty clear that even the distractors here should be able to understand. You saved me and others the time and effort this early morning to debunk MM latest posts. :-)
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That's a good question. I've thought for a while that the divorce was meant to establish a marriage, for whatever reason (and no, I don't believe they were planning on him being POTUS back then).
When David Mendell interviewed Madelyn back in 2004, he posed the question of whether Ann and BO, Sr. were actually married, which indicates to me that the media knew at least that long ago that there was no record. He noted that Madelyn was fierce in her insistence that they were married; it was obviously very important to her.
If you look at the two divorce petitions filed by Dunham's attorney, the Obama petition (Page 2) is very specific about the marriage:
"That libellant and libellee were lawfully married in Wailuku, Maui, State of Hawaii, on February 2, 1961, by a person duly authorized to perform marriage ceremonies and ever since that date have been and are now husband and wife."
The Soetoro complaint (Page 1) simply states:
"2. The parties are lawfully married to each other."
Quite a difference. Was her attorney simply being overly-diligent on the first petition, or was establishing a specific date and place of the "marriage" the whole point of the "divorce?"
“Try to use your common sense.”
Capital idea! Unfortunately, using common sense isn’t part of the troll job description.
The case did deal with citizenship pretty clearly...but the matter of natural born citizenship was left hanging and is still needing clarification by our robed “heroes.”
The Obots try to act as if the case dealt definitively dealt with NBC but it did no such thing.
Isn’t it remarkable how they try to insult our intelligence with such assertions? The only eyewitness on either side says Barry was born in Kenya but she’s senile and/or lying. The ambassador said what he said and everyone who follows these threads has heard him but he was “confused.” None of those people are credible, say the Obots, just the assertions of a cynical Chicago politician, who makes Nixon look like a choirboy, have credibility. How can any reasonable person give a lying pol like B.O. the benefit of the doubt about anything?
“Why not present a certified copy of his BC, long form, to a respected neutral party, one with no connections to him at all? One that would raise no suspicion.”
That’s the way an HONEST campaign would have done it, picking some group with no conflict of interest. But there was a big conflict which is one more reason why Obama’s performance on this issue simply doesn’t pass the smell test.
It does get suspicious minds working, doesn’t it? And it is amazing that they cite the drive-bys as authority for anything on this forum. The MSM is a negative reference group as far as I’m concerned.
One poster said that her husband called them “afterbirthers.” I think “stillbirthers” has some value also. But I stick with Obots and Obamanoids for the most part.
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