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To: Michael Michael
Sorry, but it says born within the United States and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Here's what Sen. Trumball said to Sen Howard :
The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.

Howard agreed. Trumball also said,

“It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens…”

The "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means only those that fell completely within the jurisdiction of the United States. Not "owing allegiance to anyone else" applies to native Americans as well foreigners from other countries.

During the debate over the Naturalization Act of 1870, there were Representatives that argued that the 14th Amendment did provide foreigners a de-facto right to obtain citizenship. This contention was not disputed.

1,051 posted on 02/08/2009 2:24:20 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia

That’s pretty clear that even the distractors here should be able to understand. You saved me and others the time and effort this early morning to debunk MM latest posts. :-)


1,052 posted on 02/08/2009 2:38:21 AM PST by Red Steel
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