Constitutional crisis looming over Obama's birth location

World Net Daily ^ | 11/14/08 | Bob Unruh

[solfour]

The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.

The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.

WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.

The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.

[daylilly]

You are close to correct. The 1930 census was released in 2000, but didn’t become available to the public until 2002. They wait 70 years, and it took two more for transcripts and microfilm copies to be made.

[hoosiermama]

Spritzer made a deal???

Well I guess I wouldn't mind if BO made a deal as long as the deal included he could never hold office of any type ever again.....And the DNC got disbanded.....and he pays the tax payers every cent spent on this fiasco.....and

[Upstate NY Guy]

Thanks Tomkat. I was lurking for a long time while folks like you and RJanyeJ were making history.

It makes me sick to hear this nonsense in the media about how we can't do this or that or there will be rioting in the streets. These people need some backbone.

I like the immortal words of Ben Franklin the best:
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."

[Fred Nerks]

75. Further, the report does not say whether the birth certificate in the “record” is a Certificate of Live Birth or a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. In Hawaii, Certificate of Live Birth resulting from hospital documentation, including a signature of an attending physician, different from a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. For births prior to 1972, a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth was the result of the uncorroborated testimony of one witness and was not generated by a hospital. Such a Certificate could be obtained up to one year from the date of the child’s birth. For that reason, its value as prima facie evidence is limited and could be overcome if any of the allegations of substantial evidence of birth outside Hawaii can be obtained. The vault (long Version) birth certificate, per Hawaiian Statute 883.176 allows the birth in another State or another country to be registered in Hawaii. Box 7C of the vault Certificate of Live Birth contains a question, whether the birth was in Hawaii or another State or Country. Therefore, the only way to verify the exact location of birth is to review a certified copy or the original vault Certificate of Live Birth and compare the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor against the birthing records on file at the hospital noted on the Certificate of the Live Birth.

SOURCE.

[bvw]

Is that list of “persons are considered to have such an interest” by statue law or by regulatory determination?

[Chief Engineer]

There’s much more involved with Jr than there was with Spitzer. What was the figure “donated” $600,000? That is fraud!

[Chief Engineer]

The actual vault copy may have been sealed if he was adopted by Lolo so it wouldn’t be available to even Jr himself unless he filed with the court asking for it to be unsealed. I realize that registration of birth was lax in Hawaii when Jr was born and that certificates of that time had a section on them to mark for birth in another country. Did grandma register the birth? Who would question such a fine upstanding citizen as the mortgage administrator at Bankoh registering her grandson’s birth?

[cgk]

Great post, thank you.

[real_patriotic_american]

I wish the candidates would sue in all of the States. And I believe that it is not out of the question for Obama to be declared ineligible to serve as President.

BTW, have you seen this citizenship petition against OBama:
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244

[arrogantsob]

I say it is BS. Palin energized conservatives like no candidate I have ever seen including Reagan.

[arrogantsob]

My condolences for your Mom.

[cookcounty]

Yet another possible knot:

"Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence"

But did Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama's mom) live in Hawaii for the 12 months before the birth? She geaduated from High school in Washington State in June of 1960, at some point after, moved to Hawaii. Barack (or Barry?) was born just 14 months after her graduation.

[seekthetruth]

Just heard Barbara Simpson (radio talk show host/California)
mention the case (Berg’s)before the SC and how Obama must respond by Dec.1st and “answer the charges”. Not that he has to PRODUCE anthing, but answer the charges. Have you seen that order in writing from Justice Souter?

[arrogantsob]

No he wouldn’t. Read the Constitution.

[arrogantsob]

But even in 1787 one had to be here 14 yrs to qualify for the Presidency. Interestingly the only one this seemed to really apply to was Hamilton who arrived in 1773 and who was instrumental in calling for, writing and obtaining ratification for the Constitution. Those numbers may have been selected with him in mind.

[Chief Engineer]

That is correct, Jr only has to answer to the charges by December 1st, he does NOT have to produce his original birth certificate at that time. The information wil be found at either obamacrimes.com or on the Docket of the Supreme Court. It was a rumor which spread saying Jr had to produce the certificate by December 1st. As matters stand now, people feel that he will say that Berg has no standing and the case will be tossed. Alan Keyes, being a presidential candidate, has a stronger case regarding standing; and the N.J. case was sent to the Supreme Court from NJ Supreme Court. Those are the two more likely cases. Meantime Andy Martin appears in court in Hawaii this Tuesday. Right now it is a wait and see matter.

[little jeremiah]

I’ve mentioned before and several others have mentioned as well, but of course you took no note of it:

It’s patently obvious that if - IF - either Obama’s grandparents or mother made a point of NOT noting a Kenyan place of birth and instead stated or implied that he was born in the US, it would not have been so as to afford him natural born status just in case he ever ran for president.

The fact that you have repeated this numerous times as though anyone thinks that, or as though anyone is using this mystical prescience of his mother or granparents as a reason why the birth place might possibly be false is proof that your purpose is to disrupt the discussion rather than help further it.

Others have mentioned various reasons for wanting it to appear that he was born in the US that actually make sense, but no, you keeping trotting out this foolishness as though anyone other than yourself is thinking it.

[Fred Nerks]

If Madelyn registered the birth, and possibly also placed the birth announcement, she could have claimed anything she liked. As Chief wrote; Who would question such a fine upstanding citizen as the mortgage administrator at Bankoh registering her grandson’s birth?

[little jeremiah]

Maybe because your “disagreement” is expressed in smarmy passive aggression designed to denigrate the argument and the members discussing it, rather than offer reasonable arguments for your position. Whatever that position may be. You’ve used words like “feeling” and “believe” over and over again. I have seen precious little comments from you explaining rationally your position. Again, whatever that position might be.

[little jeremiah]

I’ve been thinking about DNA myself.