Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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You are making several assumptions.
#1 We don’t know that the sneak-peeks were done by clinton operatives, (though that is the ways to bet)
#2 We can’t assume that the Hildabeast would immediately leak anything. (she’s held the data in the purloined FBI files over peoples heads for a looooong time, and gotten more milage and favors than instantly releasing them would have ever garnered)
#3 You don’t know that the looks weren’t really Obama operatives’ attempts to alter the files
#4 You don’t know that the attempt weren’t republican fishing expeditions.
#5 You don’t know if the unauthorized access attempts got in far enough to uncover anything juicy.
#6 And you keep stubbornly insisting that an overworked GS-0.5 clerk would instantly detect a pretty good forgery, or even a genuine BC based on incorrect data supplied to the county clerk, and magically and unfailingly get the accurate place of birth on a passport.
Given that I know Darling Daughter’s BC does not accurately reflect the circumstances of her birth - by court order -, and given that I just went through considerable effort to correct my SS records (they had my middle name wrong, my city of birth as a non-existent location, my mom’s name wrong, etc.) I don’t have quite the blind, unreasoning, robotic, automatic and uncritical acceptance of anything on a government form as Absolute Truth that you do.
08 Jul 2008 at 6:26 pmClarice,
Thanks, but all meaningless. The point I made was the fact HI is not investigating a fraud. Their willingness to discuss it without raising alarm bells means they KNOW they provided a copy to Obama.
This is the biggest joke I have ever seen. There were multiple reasons why the scan was a solid image of a real BC. The tell tales of the seal, signature area (which match the size and shape of other HI BCs) and the data stamp all bleeding through from the back show it to be a authentic scan.
Finally, Opendnas blank original is of much lower resolution - as those nut cases showed on their websites. You CANNOT recover lost resolution from jpeg images. There is no way to create the Kos image from the Opendna file - end of story.
There are ways for Opendna to lose the faint telltales though - which means this progression only goes one way, from the Kos/BHO scans to the Opendna mockup.
Sorry, but this myth has been busted. If you cant believe me and Charles Johnson on technical matters, then it is like some layman telling you how to do law.
Cheers, AJStrata
The argument boils down to this "I'm cranky and short-tempered and fr*gn arrogant so TRUST ME, damn it!"
What a cheap level of "proof" our omniscient fellows who hold themselves to be the colossi of the blogosphere do accept. Makes one question what else they take for granted.
Trust, but verify...
Pan Am collapsed December 4, 1991.
Not necessarily. I found this at the HuffingtonPost. Not sure how much credence to put in it, but if true they wouldn't leak it.
"The CEO of one of the companies linked to the improper access to the passport files of presidential candidates is an adviser to the Obama campaign. Mmm. Interesting. I had suggested before that the breach was a deliberate act by those acting on behalf of the Obama campaing, a deliberate act intended to create a controversy and to be used when Obama was sinking in the polls."
Guy obeyed the immigration law to the "t".
Yesterday Obama was giving a speech about how illegal aliens are just like his Dad and came here for the same reason.
It's a libel on his own father for him to say that.
Just a matter of time and he'll get around to George Soros, and Fur Shur he's gonna' go under the bus with the rest of 'em.
Would he waste the bandwidth when a smaller file would suffice? Probably not.
Would he deliberately post a low rez image to mislead the curious? Unlikely. That would require thinking he could get caught...
Check on when Japan was no longer under restrictions on aircraft it could own. Should be in the treaty ending the occupation. As I recall Japan didn’t move into Hawaii or the Aleutian routes until the 747s were available, and that’s the 1970s.
Null, can you provide me with documentation of this. Somehow I have missed it in all my readings of this issue......Thanks
Pocket calculators hadn't been invented yet BTW.
Gimme a few?
Interesting. A defensive breach? Obama Team can beat Team Clinton at their own game.
That would definitely bring some changes to the Obama birth records in the Hawaii data base wouldn't it.
Very interesting, but I doubt that at the age of 10 Obama would have considered him his step-father.
“#1 We dont know that the sneak-peeks were done by clinton operatives, (though that is the ways to bet)”
Yes, it was shown that it might have been Obama-friendlies.
“#2 We cant assume that the Hildabeast would immediately leak anything.”
I think we can assume that much. She was in ‘kitchen-sink mode’ from mid-Feb to mid-May. If she had it, she would have used it. Ergo, she didn’t. She’s not going to wait for Obama to be the nominee and *then* come in.
“#3 You dont know that the looks werent really Obama operatives attempts to alter the files”
True.
“#4 You dont know that the attempt werent republican fishing expeditions.”
Again, if there was a bombshell in there, then something would have leaked out.
“#5 You dont know if the unauthorized access attempts got in far enough to uncover anything juicy.”
The specific point I was making that if his passport
had a different birthplace, it would have come out.
Given your caveats, it is *possible* that a bombshell
could still be in there and not leaked. But IMHO still
not *likely*.
Nothing was found, ergo, high probability that nothing was there worth reporting.
“#6 And you keep stubbornly insisting that an overworked GS-0.5 clerk would instantly detect a pretty good forgery, or even a genuine BC based on incorrect data supplied to the county clerk, and magically and unfailingly get the accurate place of birth on a passport.”
Others keep stubbornly insisting that there is something to forge, when there is no ‘there’ there. I am reasonably (but not 100% proven) convinced that the Obama birth cert. is not a forgery; that campaign is not so stupid as to stand behind an internet fake, and see comments of AJStrata, and LGF (who helped bust the 2004 forged CBS draft memo docs).
If its not a fake, then there really is an official record of Obama’s birth in Honolulu in Aug 1961.
I don’t have to insist that all Govt records are perfect,
but I am sure that 99.9% of passport ‘place of birth’ records are accurate, and I am saying that the preponderance of evidence
falls on Obama’s birth record on his passport being accurate as well with 99.9% probability, and that with 99.9% probability his passports says “place of birth: Honolulu, Hawaii”.
You can mutter about murder, but there’s no dead body there.
Note which you don't recite but I assume you noticed, the fact (Maui) is recited as having come from the Complaint for the divorce. She is sitting there in the law office and the lawyer says well we have to plead the fact on the marriage and she thinks well, I can't say Honolulu cause I know it wasn't there; Maui is the wild west, maybe nobody will know.
I guess the reason for looking for the divorce file was to find out where he plead they were married so if we are willing to take Time's word for it, we can abandon that--too much to hope for that she would have said Mombasa. - David
1) On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obamas parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II. Friends did not learn of the wedding until afterward. Nobody was invited, says Abercrombie. - WOSG
And who is Abercrombie that we should uncritically accept anything he says?
Fred Nerks posted this:
Abercrombie is described by Hawaii Reporter editor Malia Zimmerman as "D-Hezbollah" for his weakness on terror and anti-Israel record in Congress. Today he represents Honolulu in the US Congress and is a member of the Socialist-founded Congressional Progressive Caucus.
I know he didn't return "home" but kind of kept to Europe, Russia and South Africa because, as he would tell you any time, those places were much safer than "home".
Odds are good my roommate knew Barak Obama Sr., and I am almost certain I met Stanley Ann in Northern Virginia (circa 1973?)at a party held by an Indonesian fellow who worked for the USIA at the time.
She worked for the USIA according to an earlier poster.
I'm pretty confident all the folks I was meeting were pretty darned conservative, or were/had been CIA field personnel of very conservative leanings, which makes me wonder quite a lot about what Stanley Ann was doing.
Could see have been like some of those long term undercover agents who marry locally, keep their eye on stuff, later on write books about what interested them, etc.
We’re surprisingly close to agreement.
I think it’s 90% probable that there is no ‘there’ there.
I’m only 90% certain that a man who means my country ill is constitutionally qualified for office.
This isn’t really a high level of certainty:
If I was only 99.9% sure my brakes are OK, I’d have ‘em checked!
I owe that much to my family, do I owe less to my country?
Let’s let that be our little secret, ‘K?
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