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Jesus died of blood clot - Israeli researcher
Yahoo - Reuters ^ | June 8, 2005

Posted on 06/08/2005 4:41:38 AM PDT by echoBoomer

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli researcher has challenged the popular belief that Jesus died of blood loss on the cross, saying he probably succumbed to a sometimes fatal disorder now associated with long-haul air travel.

Professor Benjamin Brenner wrote in The Journal of Thrombosis and Haemostasis that Jesus's death, traditionally believed to have occurred 3-6 hours after crucifixion began, was probably caused by a blood clot that reached his lungs.

Such pulmonary embolisms, leading to sudden death, can stem from immobilisation, multiple trauma and dehydration, said Brenner, a researcher at Rambam Medical Center in Haifa.

"This fits well with Jesus's condition and actually was in all likelihood the major cause of death by crucifixion," he wrote in the article, based on religious and medical texts.

A 1986 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association mentioned the possibility that Jesus suffered a blood clot but concluded that he died of blood loss.

But Brenner said research into blood coagulation had made significant strides over the past two decades.

He said recent medical research has linked immobility among passengers on lengthy air flights to deep vein thrombosis, popularly known as "economy-class syndrome" in which potentially fatal blood clots can develop, usually in the lower legs.

Brenner noted that before crucifixion, Jesus underwent scourging, but the researcher concluded that "the amount of blood loss by itself" would not have killed him.

He said that Jesus, as a Jew from what is now northern Israel, may have been particular at risk to a fatal blood clot.

Thrombophilia, a rare condition in which blood has an increased tendency to clot, is common to natives of the Galilee, the researcher wrote.

© Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; blood; crucifix; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; israel; jerusalem; jesus; kookthread; postedtowrongforum
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To: WKB; rwfromkansas

***OH so you are one of those***

One of who?


141 posted on 06/08/2005 9:24:17 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't beat "nice" people to a bloody pulp, nail them onto a cross and then watch them suffocate.)
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To: rwfromkansas

Hey, I make typos. I am not perfect.




You coulda fooled me.


142 posted on 06/08/2005 9:24:52 AM PDT by WKB (A closed mind is a good thing to lose.)
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To: Gamecock

One of who?



Read the thread you'll see


143 posted on 06/08/2005 9:26:09 AM PDT by WKB (A closed mind is a good thing to lose.)
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To: Petronski

If there could possibly be anything difficult for God to understand, it's Calvinism.





Oh boy! FOTFL!


144 posted on 06/08/2005 9:26:57 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Gamecock
"One of who?"

A Calvinist.

145 posted on 06/08/2005 9:27:47 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Do you accept the verse I posted that says we can only know something of a spiritual nature if we HAVE the Holy Spirit?

No I don't accept that verse, which you claimed was 2 Cor 2:3-4. This is 2nd Corinthians Chapter 2 verses 3 and 4:

3 And I wrote this same to you: that I may not, when I come, have sorrow upon sorrow from them of whom I ought to rejoice: having confidence in you all, that my joy is the joy of you all.

4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart, I wrote to you with many tears: not that you should be made sorrowful: but that you might know the charity I have more abundantly towards you.

I have no idea what you posted.

If so, how can you be an Arminian since that verse removes the possibility for us to choose God while we are dead sinners?

Send me your secret gobbledygook lexicon so I can understand your question. And send me a packet of that Kool-aid you're drinking so that I might more readily accept all these gigantic assumptions you've swallowed.

146 posted on 06/08/2005 9:28:06 AM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: rwfromkansas

What do you think satan would rather see:

Christians arguing or another beer joint opening?


147 posted on 06/08/2005 9:29:52 AM PDT by WKB (A closed mind is a good thing to lose.)
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To: Petronski

"If any man ascribes anything of salvation, even the very least thing, to the free will of man, he knows nothing of grace, and he has not learned Jesus Christ rightly."

-- Martin Luther


148 posted on 06/08/2005 9:31:28 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas
"God doesn't command me to sin. I do that myself. I am responsible."

If man is completely devoid of the ability to choose the things of God on his own without God's help, then God is responsible.

I don't believe that, of course, but then, I'm not a Calvinist.

149 posted on 06/08/2005 9:32:06 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Protagoras
What's the difference between a hard core Christian and a "not hardcore" Christian?

I don't try and rub people into the ground with my beliefs, but I can introduce you to a few Born Again folks, as well as an atheist or two who would be happy to drive you nuts preaching their own gospel...

150 posted on 06/08/2005 9:32:13 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) (I don't hate anybody, except the French....)
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To: rwfromkansas

You're quoting me Luther now?



Right.


151 posted on 06/08/2005 9:33:14 AM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: Petronski

oops...I meant 2 Corinthians 2:13-14. Verses 13 and 14, not verses 3 and 4.

The question is not that difficult.

If you accept that verse, how can you reject God's sovereignty in salvation? After all, that verse says we can't know anything spiritual unless we have the Holy Spirit, and only believers have that.


152 posted on 06/08/2005 9:34:09 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

Some of them are right here in this thread, I fear.


153 posted on 06/08/2005 9:34:51 AM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: rwfromkansas
oops...I meant 2 Corinthians 2:13-14. Verses 13 and 14, not verses 3 and 4.

The question is not that difficult.

If you accept that verse,

Again, though, which verse?

Second Corinthians, Chapter 2, Verses 13 and 14:

13 I had no rest in my spirit, because I found not Titus my brother: but bidding them farewell, I went into Macedonia.

14 Now thanks be to God, who always maketh us to triumph in Christ Jesus and manifesteth the odour of his knowledge by us in every place.


A fine pair of verses, but not what you quoted, nor particularly relevant here.

154 posted on 06/08/2005 9:38:04 AM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
They aren't "hard core Christians". They are proselytizers. And generally "pains in the ass".

BTW, all Christians are born again.

155 posted on 06/08/2005 9:39:21 AM PDT by Protagoras (I’ve had all I can stands and I can’t stands no more.....Popeye)
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To: Petronski

Man, I screwed that one up goood.

Alright. It is 1 Corinthians 2:13-14.

1st, not 2nd.

Those were great verses though in 2 Corinthians.


156 posted on 06/08/2005 9:41:30 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: echoBoomer

BREAKING NEWS!! Julius Caesar didn't die of stab wounds -- he actually had an inflamed liver..... And this was discovered by some guy 2000 years later with no body to research on or anything. Wow!


157 posted on 06/08/2005 9:42:12 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: rwfromkansas
I guess it's all about context:


11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, but the spirit of a man that is in him? So the things also that are of God, no man knoweth, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now, we have received not the spirit of this world, but the Spirit that is of God: that we may know the things that are given us from God.

13 Which things also we speak: not in the learned words of human wisdom, but in the doctrine of the Spirit, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the sensual man perceiveth not these things that are of the Spirit of God. For it is foolishness to him: and he cannot understand, because it is spiritually examined.


Don't quote me 13 and 14 without 12.

We are imbued with the Spirit that we might understand spiritual things. Yet even then it is still our choice, having such understanding, to continue to sin.

158 posted on 06/08/2005 9:47:06 AM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: johnb838; Petronski
My research shows that the Temple never existed, so there can't be a third temple, and the Jews (btw) were never given Israel, they just made it up.

Huh?

159 posted on 06/08/2005 9:50:52 AM PDT by GipperGal
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To: Petronski

There are two classes of people referred to, the natural man and the spiritual man, the man with the spirit and the man without it.

Verse 12 doesn't say everyone has the Spirit. That is limited in context to believers.


160 posted on 06/08/2005 9:51:43 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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