Posted on 06/08/2005 4:41:38 AM PDT by echoBoomer
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli researcher has challenged the popular belief that Jesus died of blood loss on the cross, saying he probably succumbed to a sometimes fatal disorder now associated with long-haul air travel.
Professor Benjamin Brenner wrote in The Journal of Thrombosis and Haemostasis that Jesus's death, traditionally believed to have occurred 3-6 hours after crucifixion began, was probably caused by a blood clot that reached his lungs.
Such pulmonary embolisms, leading to sudden death, can stem from immobilisation, multiple trauma and dehydration, said Brenner, a researcher at Rambam Medical Center in Haifa.
"This fits well with Jesus's condition and actually was in all likelihood the major cause of death by crucifixion," he wrote in the article, based on religious and medical texts.
A 1986 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association mentioned the possibility that Jesus suffered a blood clot but concluded that he died of blood loss.
But Brenner said research into blood coagulation had made significant strides over the past two decades.
He said recent medical research has linked immobility among passengers on lengthy air flights to deep vein thrombosis, popularly known as "economy-class syndrome" in which potentially fatal blood clots can develop, usually in the lower legs.
Brenner noted that before crucifixion, Jesus underwent scourging, but the researcher concluded that "the amount of blood loss by itself" would not have killed him.
He said that Jesus, as a Jew from what is now northern Israel, may have been particular at risk to a fatal blood clot.
Thrombophilia, a rare condition in which blood has an increased tendency to clot, is common to natives of the Galilee, the researcher wrote.
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The spear wound to the liver might have contributed.
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Can you explain how a slave to sin and a person dead of anything spiritual can choose God without something spiritual of their own "free will"?
2 Corinthians 2:3-4:
"13These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy[d] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Oh no it's not. I have the undiluted original recipe, but it's not fit to post here...lol...
I mean, how can someone dead to anything spiritual choose something spiritual....like God.
I've seen that one too. That's the racing hi-test!
Perhaps you should read what you are posting.
God always accomplishes his will.
Isaiah 45:6-7: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Lamentations 3:37: Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?
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The Lord commands all things and He is the creator of evil (sin). That's what you posted, by cherrypicking Bible verses without wisdom.
You can't wash your hands of your involvement in salvation, declare God to be the absolute commander of all things and the creator of evil and then turn around and claim that God "doesn't command" you to sin and that you bear responsibility for your actions.
Pick one or the other.
SD
See you don't even understand what you are saying
How can we?
What good would that do? If God chose you, having a pamphlet can't change anything. And if He didn't, no pamphlet is gonna save your butt from burning.
Hakuna matata. Que sera, sera.
SD
evil in that verse means calamity.
I can't answer a question so flawed in its premise: "a person dead of anything spiritual."
By the way, this is a paradox.
Yes, God is sovereign, and his will is never thwarted.
At the same time, we are responsible for our actions.
This may be difficult for you to understand, but it isn't for God.
There are mysteries in the world that we can't fully understand.
Hakuna matata. Que sera, sera.
LOL
Do you accept the verse I posted that says we can only know something of a spiritual nature if we HAVE the Holy Spirit?
If so, how can you be an Arminian since that verse removes the possibility for us to choose God while we are dead sinners?
If there could possibly be anything difficult for God to understand, it's Calvinism.
Hey, I make typos. I am not perfect.
Interesting.
I thought he suffocated.
What I believe, I believe by faith. I think we are all in the same boat in that regard.
That said, I believe God is all powerful and His will will be done. My belief is that God made us in His image, which I take to mean we have some level of free will, not constrained by God. He gave us that free will, that choice. In that way, our love and fear of God is of our own choosing, and is thus more pleasing to God. I think of it like a parent/child relationship. We can force our children to tell us they love us, but it is much more rewarding when they tell us they love us on their own, even though we have to put up with their occasional/frequent disobedience.
Again, this is my faith. I believe it. I don't force anyone else to, and I acknowledge that others may have faith that contradicts mine.
God be with you.
There are mysteries in the world that we can't fully understand.
I DO believe that is exactly what I told you
in post 66
"Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret thing belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law."
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