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To: rwfromkansas
I am still responsible for my actions. Though my actions fall into God's plan, it isn't like I am a robot doing whatever he commands. God doesn't command me to sin. I do that myself. I am responsible.

Perhaps you should read what you are posting.

God always accomplishes his will.

Isaiah 45:6-7: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Lamentations 3:37: Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?

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The Lord commands all things and He is the creator of evil (sin). That's what you posted, by cherrypicking Bible verses without wisdom.

You can't wash your hands of your involvement in salvation, declare God to be the absolute commander of all things and the creator of evil and then turn around and claim that God "doesn't command" you to sin and that you bear responsibility for your actions.

Pick one or the other.

SD

128 posted on 06/08/2005 9:13:37 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

evil in that verse means calamity.


131 posted on 06/08/2005 9:15:58 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: SoothingDave

By the way, this is a paradox.

Yes, God is sovereign, and his will is never thwarted.

At the same time, we are responsible for our actions.

This may be difficult for you to understand, but it isn't for God.

There are mysteries in the world that we can't fully understand.


133 posted on 06/08/2005 9:17:22 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: SoothingDave

What I believe, I believe by faith. I think we are all in the same boat in that regard.

That said, I believe God is all powerful and His will will be done. My belief is that God made us in His image, which I take to mean we have some level of free will, not constrained by God. He gave us that free will, that choice. In that way, our love and fear of God is of our own choosing, and is thus more pleasing to God. I think of it like a parent/child relationship. We can force our children to tell us they love us, but it is much more rewarding when they tell us they love us on their own, even though we have to put up with their occasional/frequent disobedience.

Again, this is my faith. I believe it. I don't force anyone else to, and I acknowledge that others may have faith that contradicts mine.

God be with you.


139 posted on 06/08/2005 9:23:37 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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