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To: Petronski

"If any man ascribes anything of salvation, even the very least thing, to the free will of man, he knows nothing of grace, and he has not learned Jesus Christ rightly."

-- Martin Luther


148 posted on 06/08/2005 9:31:28 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas

You're quoting me Luther now?



Right.


151 posted on 06/08/2005 9:33:14 AM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: rwfromkansas

A little off topic, but as long as we're quoting Martin Luther, I think this is the best thing he ever wrote:

"Who, but the devil, hath granted such a license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposeth upon us by these fanatical men .... Not one of the Fathers, though so numerous, ever spoke as the Sacramentarians: not one of them ever said, It is only bread and wine; or, the body and blood of Christ is not there present. Surely it is not credible, nor possible, since they often speak, and repeat their sentiments, that they should never (if they thought so) not so much as once, say, or let slip these words: It is bread only; or the body of Christ is not there, especially it being of great importance, that men not be deceived. Certainly in so many Fathers, and in so many writings, the negative might at least be found in one of them, had they thought the body and blood of Christ were not really present: but they are all of them unanimous."
Martin Luther, tom. vii. Edit. Wittemb. p. 391

He got one thing right!


197 posted on 06/08/2005 11:18:03 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: rwfromkansas
"If any man ascribes anything of salvation, even the very least thing, to the free will of man, he knows nothing of grace, and he has not learned Jesus Christ rightly."

Then what's the point? I'm either pre-saved by God or I'm not. Since there is nothing I can do about it, why should I care at all about God and his rules?

267 posted on 06/08/2005 12:44:31 PM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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