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Final Gallup 49-47

Posted on 10/31/2004 5:11:07 PM PST by VAGOP

Just reported by Aaron Brown on CNN-


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gallup; gwb2004; kewl; polls
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To: politicsfan

2000 Redux? Who could have imagined both sides would split evenly in a second consecutive presidential election? The final Gallup Poll in 2000 had Bush and Gore at 48%-48% each. If this holds up, we're in for another long night Tuesday and the final winner won't be known for weeks. The winner will be then determined by TURNOUT, TURNOUT, TURNOUT.


81 posted on 10/31/2004 5:24:42 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: VAGOP
I have an uneasy feeling that there will be rioting in the streets, no matter which way this tilts......


82 posted on 10/31/2004 5:24:47 PM PST by Viking2002 (Taglines? Vikings don't need no steenkin' taglines..............)
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To: RightMike

President Bush now down in Florida. That's BS. Laura Ingram on Larry King last Thursday wanted to bet Senator Graham 500 (Going to charity) that President Bush would win FL. Graham would not bet.


83 posted on 10/31/2004 5:25:03 PM PST by JonDavid
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To: Howlin
Up 2 in an entirely weekend poll?

I think Cheney called it earlier in the week. Bush by 4 or 5.

84 posted on 10/31/2004 5:26:30 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Williams

The problem many of us have with all the polls is the wide fluctuations in the state numbers seemingly from day to day. The polling business is no better than a gambling venture. Most of us could probably pick the winner as well as the Zogbys and Rasmussens of the world.


85 posted on 10/31/2004 5:26:35 PM PST by midftfan
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To: Williams
The poll may or may not be flawed but they did not make up their result to "play it safe."

Gallup, as a rule, does not weight. They have made that point repeatedly this cycle. For this poll, they weighted. I find that interesting.

86 posted on 10/31/2004 5:26:38 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Petronski
Reminds me of the old tactic used by Jimmy "The Greek".

Late in his career, his football predictions were always the same - He would choose a score that had the favorite winning by exactly the point spread and the total score would exactly match the Over/Under.

If Dallas was favored by 3 over the Redskins and the Over/Under was 23 points, his prediction would be Dallas 13, Washington 10.

87 posted on 10/31/2004 5:26:41 PM PST by TexasNative2000 (When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.......)
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To: neutrality
If Gallup is right and Bush gets Wisconsin (10), Iowa (7), Pennsylvania (21), and if he get New Mexico (5) (which he will) that gives Bush 270 (227+43).

Also, if Bush get 25% of Maine's vote, he get another 1 EV.

88 posted on 10/31/2004 5:27:21 PM PST by CWW (Only a few days remaining -- get the vote out folks!!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
President Bush uses their own internal polls, not Gallup
89 posted on 10/31/2004 5:28:00 PM PST by JonDavid
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To: VAGOP

Tradesports.com where people risk their money and has traditionally been much more accurate than the polls, has Bush at 55 and Kerry at 45. Same is very close to true on the Iowa Electronic Markets. A monumental TEN POINT difference.

What's up?


90 posted on 10/31/2004 5:28:20 PM PST by Rightone
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To: rushmom

MSM: they are playing hardball


91 posted on 10/31/2004 5:29:41 PM PST by JonDavid
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To: CWW
Also, if Bush get 25% of Maine's vote, he get another 1 EV

This is not correct. Maine does not allocate proportionally. They do it by congressional district. So Bush would have to win one of the two congressional districts to get 1 EV. The person who wins the whole state gets an additional 2 EV.
92 posted on 10/31/2004 5:29:50 PM PST by politicsfan
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To: VAGOP

Gallup assumed that most undecideds would break toward Kerry. There is a problem with the theory that this years undecideds will break against the President, because of what happened in previous elections. By now in all of those other elections undecideds had already broken toward the challenger. They usually do so within one week before the election, not 36 hours. This year already doesnt conform to that precedent.


93 posted on 10/31/2004 5:29:53 PM PST by darkmatter ("There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." -Mark Twain)
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To: CWW

Well folks, go back to four years ago. Truth is, most polls did very poorly, as I remember.

These people are in business and want to make money and maintain clients. The collective message of all these polls is they don't know what the heck is going on out there. Massive registration, early voting, cell phones, etc. etc. No one wants to make the call and be dead wrong.

This election will come down to turnout. It's that simple.


94 posted on 10/31/2004 5:29:59 PM PST by Paraclete
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

This makes absolutely no sense. Nobody really expects Bush to win in PA. We all know the real deal---all you have to do is study our enemy's body language, facial expression, THEY are the ones who look worried to me...I think Bush will win FL and OH...just a gut feeling I know, but hey THE FACTS are on our side when the REAL numbers are examined, plus the superior ground game, ie 72 HOUR GOTV in all the states that matter...DO NOT WORRY YOURSELVES TO DEATH...go over to jaycost.blogspot.com and take a deep deep breath
CHILL I SAY!!!!!


95 posted on 10/31/2004 5:30:30 PM PST by SaintDismas (Jest becuz you put yer boots in the oven, don't make it bread)
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To: Howlin

It won't be close...


96 posted on 10/31/2004 5:30:38 PM PST by Dog ( Message to Edwards : "REAL MEN DON'T PRIMP (Especially WITH COMPACTS)".)
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To: RightMike

I'm guessing that it's Bush with 49?


97 posted on 10/31/2004 5:31:18 PM PST by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: All

I have my own theory.

Prior to 2000 polling outfits typically called the race for the correct winner but underestimated the Republican's final numbers and either got right or slightly over estimated the Democrats final numbers.

In 2000 since the election was much more than just election nights and polls came into question...they have returned to underestimating Republican numbers (Bush numbers).

Why in the world can Kerry seldom crack 47 percent yet Bush can't get to 50 percent? It doesn't make sense. If this REALLY is the case then it seems to me there may be more people staying home than the convention wisdom says for this year. There are NO undecideds this year. So what does this tell us? Probably the undecideds are non-voters so if 3% of 600 are undecided then the sample then goes down to 582. If Bush is getting 49% of that number and Kerry is getting 47% then this really equates to Bush getting 50.5% and Kerry is getting 48.5% which should guarantee Bush an EC victory if this is the case.


98 posted on 10/31/2004 5:31:47 PM PST by Illinois Rep
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To: VAGOP

I am pretty sure it is either going to be Bush or Kerry, I don't think Nader can win.


99 posted on 10/31/2004 5:33:17 PM PST by antti tuuri
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To: Paraclete
9/11 changed everything......the pollsters missed that fact in 2002....they based the polling models on 2000 for that election cycle and paid dearly......by blowing it.

So here we are 2 years later and they are basing the polls again on the 2000 model........its like they forget what happened on Sept 11, 2001.

It won't be close.

100 posted on 10/31/2004 5:33:57 PM PST by Dog ( Message to Edwards : "REAL MEN DON'T PRIMP (Especially WITH COMPACTS)".)
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