Glenn Beck: They’re lying to us about the mystery contrail

Hot Air ^ | 11/19/2010 | Right Scoop

[JohnKinAK]

Glenn Beck said today that he has spoken to military experts about the mystery contrail from a few weeks ago and he says it’s definitely not a plane, but rather a two stage missile. He just wants to know where it came from, and he has a theory. Beck postulates that this missile was possibly from a Chinese sub off the coast of California, perhaps as a show of force to the world, but even more so to President Obama.

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[Ted Grant]

I like Beck, but he is beginning to get all Lonesome Rhodes on us.

[TXnMA]

Well. haven't used my head for analyzing GOES and other sat data, Nor have I spent any time with the AWE808 profile.

However, this graphic indicates that the AWE808 flight path was considerably south of UPS902 until they approached Catalina. And, IIRC, AWE808 was at a lower altitude -- which would affect contrail formation, volume, and lifetime -- all negatively.

"Kinks": in contrails (as shown in your example) due to minor differentials in upper wind velocity are common -- and they frequently distort the pattern slightly without dispersing it. For a more dramatic example look at where the plume/contrail traverses the opening in the "forked" cloud.

IOW, your "steering" graphic is worthless.

[Names Ash Housewares]

Rush hasn’t dazzled me over the years with technical insight on different things at times. It’s not his realm.
I’ve heard him struggle before and get things wrong.

If your a long term listener you may have noticed.

Someone has his ear, but that someone is dead wrong.

I was disappointed to hear him say it and sent him the link to the contrail science video.

Again, all those different camera angles line up great with the UPS jet flight path as contrail source. It’s more then enough information now for me, way more. You can’t have that kind of correlation wihout it being the source object. It was that UPS flight. Right time, right place, right conditions. Nothing more.

The data we have to examine is utterly convincing.

Others may feel different, but I submit, “feel” is the key there. It’s an emotional need, because the data does not support such a thing, generally there is a rush to say that this “expert” says it was.

But there is no examinable data to support it.
Where as the UPS jet, we have the flight path, the time, the place, satellite imagery, multiple camera angles, it all correlates wonderfully.

[Names Ash Housewares]

Chemtrails and UFO coverup is total *hogwash*
I have no respect for it.

It’s fantasy crap.

If you sign onto that kind of thing. I can go nowhere with presenting the data this was a UPS jet.

You will never accept it.

[TigersEye]

Same route, different altitude.

Nope, according to FlightAware.com both flights on Nov. 8th flew at 37,000 ft.

Flight AWE808 Nov. 8

Flight UPS902 Nov. 8

[TigersEye]

Nope, see post #365. The altitudes were the same and the flight paths were nearly identical.

[Jet Jaguar]

Good to see you back.

JJ

[TigersEye]

In the following two pics you can see the "contrail at 37,000 ft." in front of the low-level marine haze on the ocean.

From the Sky2 video.

Still pic from Rick Warren.

You can see spread in the contrail that coincides with the cloud layers at different altitudes.

[Rokke]

"Nope, according to FlightAware.com both flights on Nov. 8th flew at 37,000 ft."

Not true. Click on your links again and look for "track log and graph" link after "Status". The UPS flight climbed to FL390 1.5 hours prior to beginning its descent into Ontario. The AWE flight remained at FL370 for the entire cruise portion of its flight.

[TigersEye]

Those are some thin straws you're hanging onto. The atmosphere was different at 37k ft than at 39k ft and the sat pic with only one contrail, that conveniently held together in the jet stream for its whole length is cropped on the western end just in time to make your case.

[Rokke]

“In the following two pics you can see the “contrail at 37,000 ft.” in front of the low-level marine haze on the ocean.”

Actually, in both pics you can see the contrail never even “touches” the ocean (the flat and slightly darker horizon line). And I have yet to read any explanation for the very obvious spreading of the “missile plume” at its “lowest” point. Was there some massive southerly wind that was strong enough to spread a missile trail miles across the horizon within just a few minutes of its creation? Keep in mind that the supposed missile is still producing exhaust. Not even the Space Shuttle main rocket engines burn longer than 8 minutes, and by that time the Space Shuttle is traveling at 27 times the speed of sound and has left the Earth's atmosphere. So the California video either depicts the world's longest burning and slowest accelerating rocket, or it depicts evidence of hurricane force winds without an accompanying storm.

[TigersEye]

There is “contrail” in front of the haze. The horizon of the ocean is not visible at all in either pic. So, we have a contrail at 39k appearing in front of low-level marine haze.

[Rokke]

"Those are some thin straws you're hanging onto. The atmosphere was different at 37k ft than at 39k ft and the sat pic with only one contrail, that conveniently held together in the jet stream for its whole length is cropped on the western end just in time to make your case."

There are at least two contrails in that satellite photo. One at the tip of the blue arrow, and the other under the blue arrow. There also appears to be remnants of a third to the south of both the other contrails. I have no idea where the picture came from or who cropped it. Why is the length of the contrail pictured relevent? It could stretch all the way to Hong Kong or start at exactly where the photo starts. Doesn't matter.

[aruanan]

So the California video either depicts the world's longest burning and slowest accelerating rocket, or it depicts evidence of hurricane force winds without an accompanying storm.

Or it depicts a contrail from a jet that is being affected at different points (gaps and lateral displacement) by the same meteorological forces that are producing clouds or no clouds at those same points. But that's not as exciting an explanation as a mystery possibly Chinese sub-launched potentially nuclear missile that defies all known facts about missiles and their flight characteristics unless it was a high altitude cruise missile powered by jet turbines and then--hey, wait, a jet aircraft leaving a contrail is, literally, a missile cruising at high altitude.

So how many days in a row can you see the same phenomenon at the same time in the same place and is the regularity more easily explained by a scheduled jet flight or by a Chinese sub mysteriously launching high altitude cruise missiles? And, after having publicly and vociferously committed himself to the mystery sub-launched, atypically-flying rocket-powered missile theory, how willing is someone to accede to a prosaic explanation and admit he was wrong?

[Rokke]

"The horizon of the ocean is not visible at all in either pic."

I know we're looking at the same pictures. Maybe my monitor resolution is better than yours. The horizon line is very discernible in both. If it helps, look just above the highest point of land to the right side of both pictures. The horizon line is just above that, and travels in a straight line from there across the entirety of both pictures.

[TigersEye]

You mean like this shuttle launch video where it appears to be going pretty slow and the contrail is twisted, broken up and widening fairly fast at the base in less than two minutes?

Space Shuttle Launch. View from commercial flight!

Of course TXnMA says he proved there are only 12 seconds of actual Sky2 video so where you get 8 minutes is another mystery.

[Rokke]

"...how willing is someone to accede to a prosaic explanation and admit he was wrong?"

I believe that will be the last question regarding this incident to be answered. And I'm not going to hold my breath.

[TigersEye]

That’s not a horizon line that’s where the ocean in the foreground of the pic on top meets the haze. In the second pic it isn’t discernible at all.

[TigersEye]

Or it depicts a contrail from a jet that is being affected at different points (gaps and lateral displacement) by the same meteorological forces that are producing clouds or no clouds at those same points. But is completely absent in the satellite pic of the same contrail.

[TigersEye]

So how many days in a row does the Pentagon launch an investigation into an airplane contrail that happens every day?