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If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Prior thread ^ | July 18, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

* * R O U G H * * D R A F T * *

(continuing my remarks from prior thread)

Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.

Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.

An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.

An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.

A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.

Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.

We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:

The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.

As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:

The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.

We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.

The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.

We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.

The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.

We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.

The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).

The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.

Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.

Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.

The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.

No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.

All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.

The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.

Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.

The Federal Reserve.

Border security.


FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.

Federal Pensions.

Etc, etc, etc.

Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.

This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.

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Oh, OK, I see your point, the louses.

641 posted on 07/19/2009 3:58:20 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: Jim Robinson
I think most of the damage done in the last century can be laid at the feet of the so-called progressive or populist movements that gave us the 16th and 17th amendments through which they illegally expanded the powers of the federal government and stole our individual wealth and treasure. Through these vehicles they introduced the income tax, the federal reserve, the Raw Deal, the Progressive Society, the Ruling Class, the professional Victim Class, the Nanny State, the Police State, the Welfare State, the Federal Behemoth, the Federal Beast, etc, etc, etc, and stole our Liberty and, apparently, even our will to resist their evil onslaught. Our current society of brainwashed wimplings roll over for this tyranny on a daily basis. Prior generations (1700’s, 1800’s) of true red-blooded Americans would have rebelled long before it ever got to today’s totalitarianism!

This may be true by way of historical trend analysis. That is, progressive era begat Woodrow Wilson, who in WWI gave a dry run of Govt control, which was revived in FDR's time as the New Deal. The New Deal was locked in place by 20 years of Democrat control of the Presidency, and when Eisenhower came to power, he had no desire/agenda to repeal things like farm supports, social security etc.

The next liberal wave was LBJ's Great Society. that was 40 years ago. In the 1970s we got more liberalism under Nixon (EPA etc) and Carter. Reagan rolled back taxes, but even Medicare which was started under LBJ was kept.

Reagan successfully turned the trajectory of governmental advance, but did not alas give us smaller government. He merely stopped the socialists advance and for 25 years or so, we've enjoyed prosperity under this system.

Which lead us to today. This frog has been slowly boiled for at least a century or more. Now Obama is turning up the heat yet more.

Choose your battles. We cannot undo a century of advance of 'progressive' Big Government intrusion in our personal and economic affairs. Most voters may not want to, as many are ignorant of history (educated by schools pushing these progressive agendas as indoctrination points).

What can we undo? What can we defend? We cannot undo what happened a century ago, right now. What we can do is STOP THE OBAMA AGENDA TO MAKE AMERICA A SEMI-SOCIALIST STATE.

Choose your battles, focus your attention. Then you win.

642 posted on 07/19/2009 4:03:10 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
To my fellow Southerners:

How much longer? How much more do we need to take? The Federal Boot grows heavy and is trying to crush our spirit. With rifle and axe our ancestors tamed a wild land; the only health insurance they had was a whiskey bottle, a roll of cloth and FAITH. What have we become?....

Maybe the time is not here/not right, but be ready, a time of choosing will come in our lifetime..

644 posted on 07/19/2009 4:07:42 PM PDT by central_va (
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There is no constitutional crisis. We just have a very bad President and a very bad Congress doing very bad things that will harm our life, liberty and prosperity. Put down the crack pipe, bro. The cure is to discredit his agenda and not to sound like looney extremists ready to start a war. All you do is help the left discredit anti-Obama conservatives with such unwarranted and extreme statements.

Obama is only part of the problem. As I stated previously, the federal government is out of control. They have usurped states' rights by completely ignoring the 10th amendment.

The federal government was intended to have limited and well defined powers and responsibilities. They have instead grown into a monster which destroys everything/everyone who gets in its way. They show more concern for terrorists' and illegals' rights than they do for hard-working tax-paying citizens.

645 posted on 07/19/2009 4:07:52 PM PDT by MadPenguin (An armed man is a citizen; an unarmed man is a subject!)
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To: Boucheau; WOSG

The populists and progressives of the day were snake oil salesmen writ large. Convinced the people that we needed a big central government to look after us little people. Then when all went south and their policies sent the world’s economy into a great depression, up from the ashes arose a great sPhincter, er Phoenix of all humanity, the socialist messiah, Franklin D. Roosevelt. The rest is history. And history repeats itself before our very eyes.

646 posted on 07/19/2009 4:09:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter:
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To: Jim Robinson

Not a good idea.

Better to win the next election honestly, then walk back the bad laws by repeal.

To do that you have to WIN, not scare off your potential allies.

647 posted on 07/19/2009 4:14:09 PM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: Jim Robinson

“And history repeats itself before our very eyes.”

As then, “ never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”

If it didn’t translate, I was being facetious with the ‘louses’ remark.

He and I both know what that generation was like.

648 posted on 07/19/2009 4:16:05 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: donmeaker

Nope. Just trying to attract true patriots who are unafraid to speak the truth and take the fight directly to the enemy.

649 posted on 07/19/2009 4:17:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter:
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To: freedom lives

Thanks much for posting that link. Much reading to do, and I’m getting more fired up than ever!! Godspeed.

650 posted on 07/19/2009 4:17:41 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Once the communists gain power, all their enemies are INTERNAL (that's us))
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To: Jim Robinson

Much too big of a bite IMO. While all stated goals are admirable, and would solve the ill that face our Republic, the stout medicine would kill the weakened patient.

I have chosen my weapons and seek the Achilles heel to bring the giant to it’s knees. I am focusing on first transforming our tax code which repeals the 16th amendment via the FairTax and in the back up quiver, I am seeking an effective organization to bring about term limits to end the rule by professional politicians.

The Fairtax appeals across party lines and has a real chance of transforming our economy. We’re going to need it.

It is the only peaceful way I see to bring about change.

651 posted on 07/19/2009 4:29:19 PM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: donmeaker

By the way, I’m hoping that the rest of the country is not missing the point that the grassroots TEA Party organizers are not inviting Republican leaders or officeholders to speak. There’s a reason for that.

The Republicans have betrayed and failed to defend us as much as the Democrats have taken us down the wrong road.

We’re not settling for business as usual. When we say throw the bums out, we’re speaking of the bums in both parties.

Republican officeholders who wish to keep their seats had better climb aboard the Liberty train well before it leaves the station. Actions speak much louder than words.

Every Republican worth saving will vote enbloc against Obama’s nominees, tax increases, takeovers, bailouts, health care plans, carbon scams, etc, or he’s not worth squat to us.

Vote with OBAMA you go down!! Period!!

652 posted on 07/19/2009 4:32:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter:
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To: Califreak
Now the DUmpsters think FR should be banned as a hate site:

They're just pissed because someone's got the balls to resist.
653 posted on 07/19/2009 4:41:17 PM PDT by HotLead61 (Once the communists gain power, all their enemies are INTERNAL (that's us))
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To: call2arms
You may welcome the attention, but I don’t want to be associated with it in any way. Please remove my account from Free Republic. Bye.

Don't let the door hit ya, newbie nobody troll.

654 posted on 07/19/2009 4:42:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (
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To: saquin

See ya later, DU/KOS troll.

(Why don’t you just tell us your new screen name? What are you up to, your 4th or 5th?)

655 posted on 07/19/2009 4:43:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (
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To: Melas
What I’m seeing more and more of here is treason in the works.

Yeah, darn that pesky piece of paper called the Constitution! Only traitors want to see it adhered to! Good comrades know it's just a piece of paper!


656 posted on 07/19/2009 4:45:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (
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To: listenhillary

I don’t care what you name it as long as it means repealing the 16th amendment and abolishing the IRS and the enslaving income tax, social security, medicare, entitlement and other social transfer programs. The Constitution provides a means to fund the “legal” federal government and we should return to that. The legal federal government is about 10% or less of the size of the current massive federal behemoth and the largest single expense would be for funding and supporting the Army and Navy. I would not go along with any tax system devised to support business as usual for the illegally expanding unconstitutional federal government that has usurped the powers and rights constitutionally reserved to the states and the people.

657 posted on 07/19/2009 4:46:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter:
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To: Jim Robinson
Your original post contains many very good ideas that I support. However, I cannot support the entire post.

While I share your deep frustration with the Republic's current direction, I do not support your call for "recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately." Such removal, as you have described it, has no provision under law. More importantly, I think your argument for removal may be flawed.

Your basic argument for removal--if I understand it correctly--is as follows:

1st Premise: "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government," [Declaration of Independence]

2nd Premise: "They [government] are acting without our consent." [your assertion in post #1]

Conclusion: The present government should be removed [your assertion, paraphrased from post #1]

The 2nd premise is only partially true. But, to the extent that it is true, it is consistent with the Founders' intentions, as I understand them. The weakness of the 2nd premise casts doubt upon the overall validity of your argument.

Specifically, regarding the truthful aspect of the 2nd premise: in a Republic of elected representatives, as opposed to a democracy, representatives sometimes act contrarily to the will of the public. This phenomenon is intentional (see Federalist No. 10, for example) and not unique to the present administration.

Regarding the dubious aspect of the 2nd premise: the present government has overall consent insofar as it has been duly elected in the vast majority if not all cases.

In summary, your conclusion may be unfounded due to the weakness of the 2nd premise.

I realize that my analysis is abstract and tightly constrained. However, I believe that trust in reason is preferable to the temptations of inflamed passions.

658 posted on 07/19/2009 4:47:23 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: NoLibZone

What’s “Dancing with the Stars”? I don’t care about that pop-culture hubris. I care about providing for my family and saving my country.

659 posted on 07/19/2009 4:50:14 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: matt1234

Guess we’d better strengthen the 2nd premise then. It’s either that or fold our tents, take our lumps, go home and don our chains like good little serfs.


660 posted on 07/19/2009 4:52:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter:
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