Posted on 11/28/2008 9:00:33 PM PST by ckilmer
The chasm between those who want President-elect Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate to verify his eligibility to hold the nation's highest office and those who simply support the Democrat is widening.
"The Constitution means what we today decide it means," opined one participant on a new WND forum that offers readers an opportunity to express their opinion on the birth certificate dispute.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
“”I think I may have just shaken folks a bit too hard tonight. Apologies to all.”
Think before you flap your gums.”
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Wow, someone honestly and sincerely apologizes to you and you hit back with a crappy remark.
Your posts earlier in this thread did sound like you had given up.
Slowly you changed your tune as others came to your rescue.
I get tired of reading the “nothing will happen here, lets move on posts” as well.
Maybe you should think before you “flap your gums”.
Barry already admitted that he used to “smoke”.
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Well there ya’ go!,,,
A “Dope-Head” very well mite be the POTUS on Jan.20th. ,,,
It ain’t over yet!!!
The SCOTUS(Dec.1st?) and the EC(Dec.15th) have not spoken
on this yet,,,
Worst comes to worst we still cannot give up,,,
Too many good Men have died “face down in the mud” for
US to give up now!!!
I am sorry but anecdotal testimony from an old woman and a completely unrelated diplomat are not exactly hard evidence. Hard evidence would be a Kenyan birth certificate, or a hospital record from Kenya, or evidence of air travel by Obama’s mom prior to birth.
The whole thing just doesn’t make sense. A very pregnant woman with little financial resources travels to a third world country to give birth (huh?), and travels back to Hawaii in order to lie that her son was born in the states, even going so far as planting a fake birth announcement in the paper. WHY? There is no advantage whatsoever to being a natural born citizen if you don’t plan to be POTUS. Why would Obama lie about being born in Hawaii his whole life, even years before he could dream of being POTUS? Non of this makes any sense.
There are only two kinds of US citizens, natural born and naturalized. Assuming Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a citizen. Since he is definitely not a naturalized citizen (didn’t go through immigration) he is a natural born citizen. There is no third kind of citizen, all citizens are either natural born or naturalized.
“All that is going on here is nothing more than information, which you carry back to your *own real life*”
“Free Republic is useful for an information source that you can carry back out to your own real life.”
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You are right that FR is good for info. But that is not its only use.
I have seen too many threads that initially post a question or problem and Freepers post back and forth with answers, arguments, investigations, and finally a conclusion.
Sometimes they are important answers, such as with Rathergate. Sometimes just little found facts which later lead to bigger discoveries.
And finally, God Forbid, if the SCOTUS or our elected representatives sweep this issue under the rug, then this will be a central place to come to announce time and places of conservative American’s meetings where decisions will be made on what our next steps will be.
And I promise I will have Freepers backs if and when necessary.
“I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, “Move from here to there” and it will move. Nothing will be impossible to you”.
~ Jesus Quotes from Mathew, 17:20b-21
1) It would have been much cheaper to release the information than to fight the release, ergo, there must be something disqualifying in the information. Merely embarassing would be just that, merely embarasssing. Obama has the popular vote and committed electors should he qualify, and, embarassment aside, would be POTUS. He should be able to handle that.
I've made the exact same observation in other threads. An Obama lawyer fighting one of the bc cases in NC remarked that, "if Obama is compelled to release his birth certificate, it would create an embarrassment for him". Well, what could be so embarrassing that you have to spend a million dollars to hide it? Or, could it be that there's something much more damaging on there?
I think that most people who've become aware of this glaring outpoint understand what's going on. Obama isn't fooling anyone who's apprised of the facts.
To your point #2:
I hadn't considered that Obama et al would use the whole President-Elect thing to stake a pre-emptive claim on the WH. That theory makes sense, as there's no precedent for such a circus, and in fact, it's cheesy and artificial.
You said — “The whole thing just doesn’t make sense. A very pregnant woman with little financial resources travels to a third world country to give birth (huh?), [ ... ]”
She traveled there because the guy who married her couldn’t get married to her in the United States, or he would be convicted of bigamy. But, it was okay in Kenya, and a sign of doing well, too (apparently) if you had several wives. So, the guy was happy about it for the status he gained (in Kenya, where his other wife and family was), and the mother was happy because she got an “official father” for the child, instead of being a bastard child. I don’t believe it was his child, but that the marriage was one of convenience for both parties.
What “caught” her was the fact that she didn’t realize, at the time, that the airlines would refuse her the flight back, in that condition.
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And then you said — “[...] and travels back to Hawaii in order to lie that her son was born in the states, even going so far as planting a fake birth announcement in the paper. WHY? There is no advantage whatsoever to being a natural born citizen if you don’t plan to be POTUS. Why would Obama lie about being born in Hawaii his whole life, even years before he could dream of being POTUS? Non of this makes any sense.
Like I said — it wasn’t related to him becoming President. That wasn’t the issue. The issue was that with Obama being born in Kenya and with her being of an age that she *could not* establish Obama as a citizen (at all), this was the only way she could get him to be a U.S. citizen... (nothing to do with being President...).
It’s like I said, she wanted to give him the benefit of being an American citizen, and as it stood, with her trapped in Kenya and having to give birth there, that took away her ability to establish Obama as a citizen (totally). So, this maneuver was necessary for her to establish that bare minimum (that she wanted for Obama)...
It all makes sense in very human and normal terms...
You said — “And finally, God Forbid, if the SCOTUS or our elected representatives sweep this issue under the rug, then this will be a central place to come to announce time and places of conservative American’s meetings where decisions will be made on what our next steps will be.”
LOL..., I had to laugh at this, because once you find out we’ve all be “railroaded” in this issue, then we’ll come back here and see what to do — as if we had not done enough already... LOL..
Look, if we’ve all been railroaded in this thing, it’s obvious that this job is going to continue on Obama’s part, all through his administration...
If you can’t get a very simple thing like a birth certificate to show a very clear and simple requirement in the Constitution — then we’re certainly going to get railroaded on issues with more nuances to them... LOL...
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And then you said — “And I promise I will have Freepers backs if and when necessary.”
Well..., even if you wanted to do so — with me you wouldn’t know where my back was... :-)
[and for the most part, no one else here knows where the majority of the FReepers’ backs are, either..., they “exist” in real life, doncha know... or are we talking about “hyperbole on boards...” ]
My observation of the election, is that the Democrats had to go to extraordinary lengths to pull off a win. Had they simply run a normal presidential election campaign, allowing Barry to stand on his own against McCain, he would have lost miserably.
It took the collusion of the entire MSM, Soros, ACORN, millions in illegal foreign campaign contributions, Hollywood, and a lot of dirty back room dealing in the DNC to push Obama to the top. Obama had negatives that would have killed any other candidate, but they were all massaged or buried by the MSM, or painted on the blogosphere as right wing-nut conspiracies. On top of that, Obama quite literally began running for President the moment he arrived in the US Senate. It was a two year haul, altogether.
That being said, it wasn’t really America that chose Obama. The MSM and Hollywood did. I still trust in the American people, and do not believe for a second that this generation is lost, or that we’ve passed some point of no return as a nation.
This is why I wind up in arguments with people who have a more dour mindset about our condition, and our future.
You said — ““I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, “Move from here to there” and it will move. Nothing will be impossible to you”.
Read Hebrews 11 where it tells about all those righteous of God who were persecuted and killed and *did not receive the promises of God*. It’s obvious that many righteous will fall and be persecuted and that the evil in the world will be given its time to conquer and win in these situations. God even says that the saints *will not prevail* at a time that God determines that they will not be able to do so.
This is to bring judgement upon the world, and right now, I would say that the U.S. is due a bit of that judgement of God.
Of course, I also believe that Obama is the judgement of God on this nation, too... If he carries out what a lot of people here think he will do, that will definitely be a severe judgement upon this nation...
Don’t jump in this. It’s already quieting down.
Don't go squishy on us if your prediction doesn't come true.
You said — “It took the collusion of the entire MSM, Soros, ACORN, millions in illegal foreign campaign contributions, Hollywood, and a lot of dirty back room dealing in the DNC to push Obama to the top. Obama had negatives that would have killed any other candidate, but they were all massaged or buried by the MSM, or painted on the blogosphere as right wing-nut conspiracies. On top of that, Obama quite literally began running for President the moment he arrived in the US Senate. It was a two year haul, altogether.”
So..., you’re saying that Obama and the Democrats did *everything they could* to get him elected? Obviously so....
And I guess the problem is — that the Republicans only did half of what they could do to get McCain elected... LOL...
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And then you said — “That being said, it wasn’t really America that chose Obama. The MSM and Hollywood did. I still trust in the American people, and do not believe for a second that this generation is lost, or that we’ve passed some point of no return as a nation.”
Well, of the people who voted, Obama *definitely got an absolute majority* — without a question. So, are you saying that the “real America” is the America that stayed home and didn’t vote???
It appears to me that the “real America” voted for Obama....
And, it turns out that the America that you and I wish were running the country is a minority, indeed (or else they’re too lazy to vote...). And with that being the case, I would say that judgement is on the way (or rather, has arrived with Obama’s election).
Also, I didn’t say that America had passed the point of no return, but rather that it appears judgement is coming and has arrived. A lot of times, after the judgement of God is sent upon a nation, it does have a way of turning people around. That’s probably what will happen. In the meantime, get ready for the judgement of God...
And how is this statement helpful?
I guess we should all just stop reviewing the evidence for election fraud, and go back to moping about our loss, and the fact that our party isn't in control of the gov't anymore.
Would that suit you better? Feeling real good about yourself, newbie? Helluva way to spend your first day at Free Republic.
You said — “Don’t go squishy on us if your prediction doesn’t come true.”
Oh, don’t worry about that. I would be celebrating just as loudly as anyone else here, if Obama is kicked out of being able to take the position of President of the United States. That would be delightful to me... LOL...
You said — “Don’t jump in this. It’s already quieting down.”
You know what’s fun, don’t you? Jump in on an two-year old thread and ping everyone on it and see it erupt again... LOL...
Just kidding...
But, I have accidently stumbled in on a comment before, that after I wrote back, I noticed it was written a couple of years ago... ooops...
Read my post again.
I said to find out times to meet with other conservatives.
Not meet online.
And, surely you didn’t think I meant to get together to write more letters.
I meant to meet to discuss these actions and others, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State”, and “shall not be infringed”. Comes from the 2nd Amendment.
So you would “LOL” at Americans meeting and agreeing how to stand up for our Constitution?
I probably wouldn’t know where your back is, because I highly doubt you would show up anywhere where bravery is needed.
I have meet many Freepers in person. Maybe you should get out and meet some as well.
These people know who I am and I know who they are.
Yes I am talking about real life.
Mark my words if this escalates into something that we Conservatives believe requires action, you will be seeing arrangements made for private meetings all over this nation.
I won’t sit back and be railroaded by a group that has taken over my government.
And all of you “LOL” comments are pathetic.
You can LOL all you want to over the destruction of our Constitution. I will not.
Until you fully realize what actions will be taken by many of us, it might be wise for you to stop the belittling and laughing and study up on what real patriots do when their backs are against a wall.
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