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Oldest noodles unearthed in China
BBC News ^ | 9/12/05 | BBC News

Posted on 10/12/2005 1:36:46 PM PDT by bigmac0707

Oldest noodles unearthed in China

Late Neolithic noodles: They may settle the origin debate

The 50cm-long, yellow strands were found in a pot that had probably been buried during a catastrophic flood.

Radiocarbon dating of the material taken from the Lajia archaeological site on the Yellow River indicates the food was about 4,000 years old.

Scientists tell the journal Nature that the noodles were made using grains from millet grass - unlike modern noodles, which are made with wheat flour.

The discovery goes a long way to settling the old argument over who first created the string-like food.

Professor Houyuan Lu said: "Prior to the discovery of noodles at Lajia, the earliest written record of noodles is traced to a book written during the East Han Dynasty sometime between AD 25 and 220, although it remained a subject of debate whether the Chinese, the Italians, or the Arabs invented it first.

"Our discovery indicates that noodles were first produced in China," the researcher from the Institute of Geology and Geophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, explained to BBC News.

The professor's team tells Nature that the ancient settlement at Lajia was hit by a sudden catastrophe.

Among the remains are skeletons thrown into various abnormal postures, suggesting the inhabitants may have been trying to flee the disaster that was enveloping them.

"Based on the geological and archaeological evidence, there was a catastrophic earthquake and immediately following the quake, the site was subject to flooding by the river," explained co-author Professor Kam-biu Liu, from Louisiana State University, US.

"Lajia is a very interesting site; in a way, it is the Pompeii of China."

It was in amongst the human wreckage that scientists found an upturned earthenware bowl filled with brownish-yellow, fine clay.

When they lifted the inverted container, the noodles were found sitting proud on the cone of sediment left behind.

"It was this unique combination of factors that created a vacuum or empty space between the top of the sediment cone and the bottom of this bowl that allowed the noodles to be preserved," Professor Kam-biu Liu said.

The noodles resemble the La-Mian noodle, the team says; a traditional Chinese noodle that is made by repeatedly pulling and stretching the dough by hand.

To identify the plants from which the noodles were made, the team looked at the shape and patterning of starch grains and so-called seed-husk phytoliths in the bowl.

These were compared with modern crops. The analysis pointed to the use of foxtail millet (Setaria italica) and broomcorn millet (Panicum miliaceum)

"Our data demonstrate that noodles were probably initially made from species of domesticated grasses native to China. This is in sharp contrast to modern Chinese noodles or Italian pasta which are mostly made of wheat today," Professor Houyuan Lu said.


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KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; archaeology; broomcornmillet; c14; china; dietandcuisine; foxtailmillet; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; huntergatherers; lajia; noodles; panicummiliaceum; pompeii; radiocarbondating; science; setariaitalica; yellowriver
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When they lifted the inverted container, the noodles were found sitting proud on the cone of sediment left behind.
"It was this unique combination of factors that created a vacuum or empty space between the top of the sediment cone and the bottom of this bowl that allowed the noodles to be preserved," Professor Kam-biu Liu said.

I always thought they’d last a few thousand years.
41 posted on 10/12/2005 3:00:45 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Betis70
Goes down pretty easy with a can of Natural Light or da Beast. Makes the beer taste better too

Wow you guys were rich. We could only afford Carling or that generic "beer" from Kroger. $1.65 a six baby, pony up, dig in the couch!

42 posted on 10/12/2005 3:07:18 PM PDT by doodad
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To: bigmac0707

Hillary's brain on drugs.....all your noolows berong to us!


43 posted on 10/12/2005 3:08:39 PM PDT by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: bigmac0707

Well they had to eat something didn't they?


44 posted on 10/12/2005 3:11:34 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: steveo
How DARE you??? Just for that, here's this:

Crunchy munchy honey cakes!
Fun to eat and fun to make.
In your hand or on a plate,
Crunchy, munchy honey cakes.

Have a nice day...

45 posted on 10/12/2005 3:16:37 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: bigmac0707
I think these were older:

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(Seriously, I found these on the shelf at a local Chinese grocery recently, and it was so goofy I had to take a photo.)

46 posted on 10/12/2005 3:16:46 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Certified pedantic coxcomb)
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To: PaulaB
["Our data demonstrate that noodles were probably initially made from species of domesticated grasses native to China]

ewwwwwwwww

That's not as bad as it sounds. Wheat, rice, and the other grains are part of the grass family too, and are technically "domesticated grasses" also. And that's what we make noodles from even today.

47 posted on 10/12/2005 3:22:07 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Certified pedantic coxcomb)
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To: bigmac0707

Talk about extra crispy!

On second thought, I think they are Yao Ming's old sneaker laces after a basketball double-header.


48 posted on 10/12/2005 3:24:34 PM PDT by Brofholdonow
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To: bigmac0707

On this day in history....ramen was born.


49 posted on 10/12/2005 3:25:39 PM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: Ichneumon

Ah, good ol' funny taste beans. You know they're good-- after all their slogan is "Good quality is me!".


50 posted on 10/12/2005 3:27:14 PM PDT by bigmac0707
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To: bigmac0707
Ah, good ol' funny taste beans.

I thought that said "furry."

51 posted on 10/12/2005 3:37:25 PM PDT by decimon
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Well by the time Marco Polo was doing his travels, I think there was an Italy, but it was comprised of a group of city/states.


52 posted on 10/12/2005 3:52:37 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
We see more "archeology" from China every day that is intended to boost the stature of the Chinese culture. It is about as credible as Hitler's master race BS. Wheat flour originated as early as 5000 BC in Mesopotamia which would have enabled the production of noodles by a very simple drying process. I have personally seen 4th century BC Etruscan art depicting people making noodles.
53 posted on 10/12/2005 4:19:32 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Ichneumon

I've had those! LOL!

They are like corn nuts except made with beans. I wouldn't run right out and buy them again but they were passable.


54 posted on 10/12/2005 4:24:11 PM PDT by KylaStarr
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To: Ichneumon

"Good quality is me"...you'd think Yoda was writing the blurbs on these packages.


55 posted on 10/12/2005 5:01:29 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: RightWingAtheist
"Good quality is me"...you'd think Yoda was writing the blurbs on these packages.

It gets worse.

http://www.engrish.com/

56 posted on 10/12/2005 5:06:34 PM PDT by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: bigmac0707; SunkenCiv
Good post.

GGG Ping.

57 posted on 10/12/2005 6:21:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: indcons; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; asp1; ...
Thanks indcons. An "Everybody Loves Ramen" ping.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
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58 posted on 10/12/2005 10:06:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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Thanks Blam.

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59 posted on 10/12/2005 10:07:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

*L* That's good.


60 posted on 10/12/2005 10:08:27 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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