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John Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ^ | 08/10/2004 | Interesting Times

Posted on 08/11/2004 5:47:41 AM PDT by Interesting Times

On October 14, 1979, John Kerry described a remarkable event from his days as a Swift boat officer for the Boston Herald:

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon [sic] claimed there were no American troops was very real."

-- President Nixon, of course, did not assume office until January of 1969.

On March 27, 1986, during a speech opposing President Reagan's policy in Central America, Senator John Kerry had this to say:

"Mr. President, I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -— seared -— in me, that says to me, before we send another generation into harm's way we have a responsibility in the U.S. Senate to go the last step, to make the best effort possible in order to avoid that kind of conflict." [see Congressional Record - Senate of March 27, 1986, page 3594]

And again, in a 1992 article by the Associated Press:

"But for Kerry, who spent six violent months [sic] commanding a patrol boat on the Mekong River, there's always been a ring of truth to allegations of abandoned Americans. By Christmas 1968, part of Kerry's patrol extended across the border of South Vietnam into Cambodia.

"We were told, `Just go up there and do your patrol. Everybody was over there (in Cambodia). Nobody thought twice about it," Kerry said. One of the missions, which Kerry, at the time, was ordered not to discuss, involved taking CIA operatives into Cambodia to search for enemy enclaves.

"I can remember wondering, `If you're going to go, what happens to you,"' Kerry said.

As recently as May of 2000, U.S. News and World Report stated that, "Sen. John Kerry made his first forays into Cambodia during the Vietnam War as a Navy lieutenant on clandestine missions to deliver weapons to anticommunist forces."

Interestingly, Kerry's Cambodian sojourn, though "seared" into his memory by 1986, somehow failed to rate a mention in Kerry's own contemporary journal.

In "Unfit for Command," authors John O'Neill and Dr. Jerome Corsi document the impossibility of Kerry's story:

Despite the dramatic memories of his Christmas in Cambodia, Kerry’s statements are complete lies. Kerry was never in Cambodia during Christmas 1968, or at all during the Vietnam War. In reality, during Christmas 1968, he was more than fifty miles away from Cambodia. Kerry was never ordered into Cambodia by anyone and would have been court-martialed had he gone there.

During Christmas 1968, Kerry was stationed at Coastal Division 13 in Cat Lo. Coastal Division 13’s patrol areas extended to Sa Dec, about fifty-five miles from the Cambodian border. Areas closer than fifty-five miles to the Cambodian border in the area of the Mekong River were patrolled by PBRs, a small river patrol craft, and not by Swift Boats. Preventing border crossings was considered so important at the time that an LCU (a large, mechanized landing craft) and several PBRs were stationed to ensure that no one could cross the border.

A large sign at the border prohibited entry. Tom Anderson, Commander of River Division 531, who was in charge of the PBRs, confirmed that there were no Swifts anywhere in the area and that they would have been stopped had they appeared.

All the living commanders in Kerry’s chain of command—Joe Streuhli (Commander of CosDiv 13), George Elliott (Commander of CosDiv 11), Adrian Lonsdale (Captain, USCG and Commander, Coastal Surveillance Center at An Thoi), Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (Commander, Coastal Surveillance Force Vietnam, CTF 115), and Rear Admiral Art Price (Commander of River Patrol Force, CTF 116)—deny that Kerry was ever ordered to Cambodia. They indicate that Kerry would have been seriously disciplined or court-martialed had he gone there. At least three of the five crewmen on Kerry’s PCF 44 boat—Bill Zaldonis, Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner—deny that they or their boat were ever in Cambodia. The remaining two crewmen declined to be interviewed for this book. Gardner, in particular, will never forget those days in late December when he was wounded on PCF 44, not in Cambodia, but many miles away in Vietnam.

As part of the supporting documentation given to station managers for our television ad, "Any Questions?" we provided this regarding John Kerry's "Christmas in Cambodia":

The story is a total preposterous fabrication by Kerry. Exhibit 8 is an affidavit by the Commander of the Swift boats in Vietnam, Admiral Roy Hoffmann, stating that Kerry's claim to be in Cambodia for Christmas Eve and Christmas of 1968 is a total lie. If necessary, similar affidavits are available from the entire chain of command. In reality, Kerry was at Sa Dec -- easily locatable on any map more than fifty miles from Cambodia. Kerry himself inadvertently admits that he was in Sa Dec for Christmas Eve and Christmas and not in Cambodia, as he had stated for so many years on the Senate Floor, in the newspapers, and elsewhere. Exhibit 27, Tour, pp. 213-219. Sa Dec is hardly "close" to the Cambodian border. In reality, far from being ordered secretly to Cambodia, Kerry spent a pleasant night at Sa Dec with "visions of sugar plums" dancing in his head. Exhibit 27, p. 219. At Sa Dec where the Swift boat patrol area ended, there were many miles of other boats (PBR's) leading to the Cambodian border. There were also gunboats on the border to prevent any crossing. If Kerry tried to get through, he would have been arrested. Obviously, Kerry has hardly been honest about his service in Vietnam.

John Kerry was never shot at by Khmer Rouge and Cambodians. He never took CIA operatives into Cambodia to search for enemy enclaves. In fact, John Kerry's boat never came within 50 miles of Cambodia at any time.


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To: Interesting Times
And then there's this, from the Washington Post:

And who is he, really?

A close associate hints: There's a secret compartment in Kerry's briefcase. He carries the black attaché everywhere. Asked about it on several occasions, Kerry brushed it aside. Finally, trapped in an interview, he exhaled and clicked open his case.

"Who told you?" he demanded as he reached inside. "My friends don't know about this."

The hat was a little mildewy. The green camouflage was fading, the seams fraying.

"My good luck hat," Kerry said, happy to see it. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

Kerry put on the hat, pulling the brim over his forehead. His blue button-down shirt and tie clashed with the camouflage. He pointed his finger and raised his thumb, creating an imaginary gun. He looked silly, yet suddenly his campaign message was clear: Citizen-soldier. Linking patriotism to public service. It wasn't complex after all; it was Kerry.

Date of the article? June 1, 2003. Try not to read the whole article, it is so filled with fawning sentences like the last two that you might develop "contact diabetes."

21 posted on 08/11/2004 6:15:06 AM PDT by timpad (Peace without victory is procrastination)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

John Kerry: only person in Vietnam to receive a Purple heart for bumbling a grenade and blowing his own ass up.


22 posted on 08/11/2004 6:17:46 AM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: Interesting Times
-- President Nixon, of course, did not assume office until January of 1969.

Not according to liberals. To liberals, Nixon was entirely responsible for Vietnam. Johnson? Who`s that? Kennedy? Who`s that?

23 posted on 08/11/2004 6:23:23 AM PDT by Imaverygooddriver (Never forget: "We will take things away from you for the benefit of the common good"-Hitlery Rodham)
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To: Interesting Times

JFKerry's house built upon lies is crumbling before our eyes.

The question is how deep has his deception been sown?


24 posted on 08/11/2004 6:29:00 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Interesting Times
John Kerry's remarks are typical of Baby Boomers.
Having lived dull lives of relative comfort, they feel envious at the exploits of others.
They wish to construct an heroic (or troubled) past that can be used to justify current actions, enhance their current prospects, or impress others.
Boomers create incidents in their minds, events that are perhaps fully fabricated or only partially fabricated.
It is important for the Boomer that the circumstances surrounding the events be credible even if factually untrue, for he does not want to be caught in an outright lie.
At first, these incidents are never vocalized, but as time passes and the person mentally revisits the incident, details are added to the incident until it takes on the vivid character of real life experience.
Fearful of discovery, the Boomer recounts the enlarged and fabricated event only reluctantly.
However as time passes and no one challenges the veracity of his story, he is more open with the story.
Finally, he has told the story so many times that he comes to believe it himself.
Its certain John Kerry believes he was in Cambodia in 1968, despite any evidence that might be presented to the contrary.
25 posted on 08/11/2004 6:29:05 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT!!!!!!


26 posted on 08/11/2004 6:29:12 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Interesting Times
"I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -— seared -— in me, that says to me."

If the Kerry campaign is now claiming that Kerry was "mistaken" about Cambodia, please tell me how a memory that never happened gets "seared" in one's brain?.

27 posted on 08/11/2004 6:33:45 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping.


28 posted on 08/11/2004 6:40:12 AM PDT by doug from upland (John Kerry is a sports fan like Lorena Bobbitt is a surgeon)
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To: quadrant

AB-SO-LUTE-LY 1000% percent on the money. Funny to listen to their pathetic efforts. I used to get that a lot driving a limo as my second job while in the Marines. Once they realize that I was on active duty, I started to get tales of how they tried to enlist, fly a fighter jet, they always wanted to go..., yabba, yabbba, yabba. I preferred that they just shut the FVVVCK up and tip me well.


29 posted on 08/11/2004 6:43:48 AM PDT by gunnygail (John F Kerry sure can "parlez vous a HUMMA HUMMA!")
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To: quadrant

AB-SO-LUTE-LY 1000% percent on the money. Funny to listen to their pathetic efforts. I used to get that a lot driving a limo as my second job while in the Marines. Once they realize that I was on active duty, I started to get tales of how they tried to enlist, fly a fighter jet, they always wanted to go..., yabba, yabbba, yabba. I preferred that they just shut the FVVVCK up and tip me well.


30 posted on 08/11/2004 6:45:12 AM PDT by gunnygail (John F Kerry sure can "parlez vous a HUMMA HUMMA!")
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To: eeriegeno
It would be nice if this Cambodia issue was the only thing that Kerry lied about!

Don't like the smell of this guy at all. It will be real real bad if he can get in. And even though he is courting a lot of progun states and claiming he's progun you can be sure he will institute massive gun control laws. Anyone to the left of Hilary is the worst you could get.

32 posted on 08/11/2004 6:49:37 AM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: timpad
Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

Amazing, isn't it, what all Kerry accomplished in Nam in four short months. All those medals, secret missions and war crimes. Can you imagine if we had just 100 Kerry's in the service...we could let the other guys all go home. He can do it all!

33 posted on 08/11/2004 6:53:29 AM PDT by Pure Country
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To: stockpirate
"Kerry wasn't in Cambodia before he was in Cambodia."

Would you please send that info/line to Drudge?

34 posted on 08/11/2004 6:53:48 AM PDT by cricket (Don't Lose Your Head. . .Vote Republican)
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To: CounterPoint
Noone including O'Neill is disputing Rassman's claim. Why are the lefties AFRAID of these Swifties..? Because they know if it was one wildcard making these claims they'd beat him to a pulp. They talk to 60 guys in their book. And listen to O'Neill sometime; he is fabulous.
35 posted on 08/11/2004 6:54:02 AM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: All

36 posted on 08/11/2004 6:54:14 AM PDT by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy, and I approved this message... 'tooning the truth!)
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To: Interesting Times

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/journal_day2.shtml

John Kerry's Vietnam War journal

Excerpt from a type-written journal kept by John F. Kerry during his tour of duty in the Vietnam War:


...It's cool now and the evening has closed around you to become full night. The night for once is comforting and you take a coke and some peanut butter and jelly and go up on the roof of the cabin whit your tape recorder and sit for a while, quietly, watching flares float silently through the sky and flashes announce disquieting intent somewhere in the distance. You call down to one of your men and ask him to draft a message to the Admiral in Command of all Naval Forces in Vietnam and also to the Commander of Market Time. IT says "Merry Christmas from the most inland Market Time unit." You hope that they'll court marshal you or something because that would make sense. But the night soothes everything and the people and things that are close to you dart through the mind and bring the only warmth and peace that there is. Visions of sugar plums really do dance through your head and you think of stockings and snow and roast chestnuts and fires with birch logs and all that is good and warm and real. It's Christmas Eve.


37 posted on 08/11/2004 6:55:27 AM PDT by maggief
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Roman Catholic Vietnamese celebrate Christmas.


38 posted on 08/11/2004 6:55:56 AM PDT by Maeve (Pray the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy.....)
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To: dennisw
Did they ever find Spaulding Gray?
39 posted on 08/11/2004 6:55:59 AM PDT by cricket (Don't Lose Your Head. . .Vote Republican)
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To: cricket

Done deed


40 posted on 08/11/2004 6:58:22 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry and The Taxocrates must be defeated!)
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