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How likely is human extinction?
Mail & Guardian Online ^ | Tuesday, April 13, 2004 | Kate Ravilious

Posted on 04/14/2004 6:15:04 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

Every species seems to come and go. Some last longer than others, but nothing lasts forever. Humans are a relatively recent phenomenon, jumping out of trees and striding across the land around 200 000 years ago. Will we persist for many millions of years to come, or are we headed for an evolutionary makeover, or even extinction?

According to Reinhard Stindl, of the Institute of Medical Biology in Vienna, the answer to this question could lie at the tips of our chromosomes. In a controversial new theory he suggests that all eukaryotic species (everything except bacteria and algae) have an evolutionary "clock" that ticks through generations, counting down to an eventual extinction date. This clock might help to explain some of the more puzzling aspects of evolution, but it also overturns current thinking and even questions the orthodoxy of Darwin's natural selection.

For over 100 years, scientists have grappled with the cause of "background" extinction. Mass extinction events, like the wiping out of dinosaurs 65m years ago, are impressive and dramatic, but account for only around 4% of now extinct species. The majority slip away quietly and without any fanfare. Over 99% of all the species that ever lived on Earth have already passed on, so what happened to the species that weren't annihilated during mass extinction events?

Charles Darwin proposed that evolution is controlled by "survival of the fittest". Current natural selection models imply that evolution is a slow and steady process, with continuous genetic mutations leading to new species that find a niche to live in, or die. But digging through the layers of rock, palaeontologists have found that evolution seems to go in fits and starts. Most species seem to have long stable periods followed by a burst of change: not the slow, steady process predicted by natural selection. Originally scientists attributed this jagged pattern to the imperfections of the fossil record. But in recent years more detailed studies have backed up the idea that evolution proceeds in fits and starts.

The quiet periods in the fossil record where evolution seems to stagnate are a big problem for natural selection: evolution can't just switch on and off. Over 20 years ago the late Stephen Jay Gould suggested internal genetic mechanisms could regulate these quiet evolutionary periods but until now no-one could explain how it would work.

Stindl argues that the protective caps on the end of chromosomes, called telomeres, provide the answer. Like plastic tips on the end of shoelaces, all eukaryotic species have telomeres on the end of their chromosomes to prevent instability. However, cells seem to struggle to copy telomeres properly when they divide, and very gradually the telomeres become shorter.

Stindl's idea is that there is also a tiny loss of telomere length between each generations, mirroring the individual ageing process.

Once a telomere becomes critically short it causes diseases related to chromosomal instability, or limited tissue regeneration, such as cancer and immunodeficiency. "The shortening of telomeres between generations means that eventually the telomeres become critically short for a particular species, causing outbreaks of disease and finally a population crash," says Stindl. "It could explain the disappearance of a seemingly successful species, like Neanderthal man, with no need for external factors such as climate change."

After a population crash there are likely to be isolated groups remaining. Stindl postulates that inbreeding within these groups could "reset" the species clock, elongating telomeres and potentially starting a new species. Studies on mice provide strong evidence to support this. "Established strains of lab mice have exceptionally long telomeres compared to those in wild mice, their ancestors," says Stindl. "Those strains of lab mice were inbred intensively from a small population."

Current estimates suggest telomeres shorten only a tiny amount between each generation, taking thousands of generations to erode to a critical level. Many species can remain stable for tens to hundreds of thousands of years, creating long flat periods in evolution, when nothing much seems to happen.

Telomere erosion is a compelling theory, helping to explain some of the more mysterious patterns in evolution and extinction. There are few data - partly because telomeres are tiny and difficult to measure - but new DNA sequencing techniques could soon change that. Studies have already shown a huge variation in telomere length between different species.

Other scientists are going to take some convincing. David Jablonski, a palaeontologist from the University of Chicago, says: "The telomere hypothesis is interesting, but must be tested against factors like geographic extent, or population size and variability, that have already been proven effective in predicting extinction risk."

Stindl accepts that more experiments need to be done to test his ideas. "We need to compare average telomere lengths between endangered species and current successful species," he says. "I don't expect all endangered species to have short telomeres, since there are clearly other extinction mechanisms resulting from human threats to ecosystems, but I would expect some correlation between extinction risk and telomere length."

If Stindl is correct it will have interesting implications for mankind. Although inbreeding seems to have been the traditional way of lengthening telomeres, there could be a less drastic alternative. Stindl believes that it may be possible to elongate telomeres by increasing the activity of the enzyme telomerase in the embryo. So humans could perhaps boost biodiversity and save endangered species simply by elongating their telomeres. We may even be able to save ourselves when our own telomeres become critically short, making humans the first species to take hold of destiny and prevent their own extinction.

Indicators for human extinction Human telomeres are already relatively short. Are we likely to become extinct soon?

Cancer: Cancer incidence does seem to have increased, but it is hard to say whether this is due to longer lifespans, more pollution, or telomere erosion. The shortest telomere in humans occurs on the short arm of chromosome 17; most human cancers are affected by the loss of a tumour suppressor gene on this chromosome.

Immunodeficiency: Symptoms of an impaired immune system (like those seen in the Aids patients or the elderly) are related to telomere erosion through immune cells being unable to regenerate. Young people starting to suffer more from diseases caused by an impaired immune system might be a result of telomere shortening between generations.

Heart attacks and strokes: Vascular disease could be caused by cells lining blood vessels being unable to replace themselves - a potential symptom of telomere erosion.

Sperm counts: Reduction in male sperm count (the jury is still out on whether this is the case) may indicate severe telomere erosion, but other causes are possible.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ageing; archaeology; charlesdarwin; chromosome; chromosomes; crevolist; darwin; dna; evolution; extinct; extinction; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; human; humanextinction; inbred; multiregionalism; naturalselection; neandertal; population; populationcrash; telomerase; telomere; telomereerosion; telomeres
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To: Diamond
Then Carl Sagan was not touting a mainstream scientific line when he said in his PBS series Cosmos that the universe is all there ever was or will be.

That is, at best, a statement of faith. Carl might have gone on to suggest that there is no evidence for anything other than the universe as the sum total of existence, but to turn that into a statement that therefore there is nothing other than the universe would be the fallacy of argument from ignorance. ;)

241 posted on 04/16/2004 8:46:50 PM PDT by general_re (The doors to Heaven and Hell are adjacent and identical... - Nikos Kazantzakis)
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To: capitan_refugio
One might recall the colorful sunsets for a couple of years after the Mt. Pinatubo eruption in the Philippines.

They were really beautiful in San Diego. Especially right after the sun dropped below the horizon and the sky became an even more brilliant red from the indirect reflection.

242 posted on 04/16/2004 9:48:49 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It isn't so much the breakdown of the machines as the culture which relies on them. The average major city is less than a month from cannabalism if the food supply infrastructure breaks down--at any level. We don't live in any utopian culture. I don't think we will ever hit the maxima in terms of what nature can support before we develop a culture too complex to maintain. The more that culture relies on technology, the more failure points are present in the system.

It is emminently possible that natural disaster will push humanity to the point of a massive die-off, or even extinction, but lacking that, we are fully capable of destroying our own species, if by no other means than relying on overly-complicated artificial constructs to sustain our population.

243 posted on 04/16/2004 10:24:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (C'est la guerre.)
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To: Lexinom
Evolution attempts to explain existence and life without God

No, it doesn't. Evolution attempts to explain the diversity of life on earth given observed physical evidence.
244 posted on 04/16/2004 11:34:10 PM PDT by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: rustbucket
How did tortoises get to the Galapagos Islands?
Rafting. Get swept out to sea in a storm or tsunami holding on to something that floated real well, or even a caveman joy ride. Who knows?!
245 posted on 04/17/2004 1:47:32 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Redcloak
"Does this mean that Humanity's future is walking around somewhere in the backwoods of West Virginia?"

Your whole idea is preposterous. More likely the Ozarks. {;^)

246 posted on 04/17/2004 1:50:21 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Dimensio
No, it doesn't. Evolution attempts to explain the diversity of life on earth given observed physical evidence.

...which points to an archai, a beginning orchestrated by intelligent thought. It takes enormous faith to believe in evolution, with its incredibly long timeframes to say nothing of irreducible cellular complexity and even consciousness. There comes a point for every human being, no matter how learned, when he must simply say, I don't know.

I must say, of all the groups I've debated on FR, the evolutionists are the most condescending and bitter, as love and kindness are antithetical to their worldview, all the while arrogantly claiming to be the "enlightened ones". Biological evolution is not proven fact, it is a theory, and a most tenuous one at that. People believe it because they want to, because they can't stand the idea of ultimate accountability to a Creator. Many of the ideas most of us decry here on FR - liberalism, abortionism, socialism, and other "isms" - are justified by their adherents on evolutionary grounds, discussed earlier.

Some scientitsts are to be exempted from this charge as they do not seek to reshape the world ala the U.N., the humanistic Ford Foundation, et. al., and are merely working within the framework they've been taught. It is not against these such polemics are directed.

247 posted on 04/17/2004 4:10:52 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom
Creationists have no reason to lie.

And yet ... 300 Creationist Lies.

248 posted on 04/17/2004 5:39:10 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Lexinom
I must say, of all the groups I've debated on FR, the evolutionists are the most condescending and bitter, as love and kindness are antithetical to their worldview, all the while arrogantly claiming to be the "enlightened ones". Biological evolution is not proven fact, it is a theory, and a most tenuous one at that. People believe it because they want to, because they can't stand the idea of ultimate accountability to a Creator. Many of the ideas most of us decry here on FR - liberalism, abortionism, socialism, and other "isms" - are justified by their adherents on evolutionary grounds, discussed earlier.

Just as conservative talk show hosts admit their biases and liberals refuse to do so, creationists admit their biases and evolutionists refuse to take their hands off of their closed eyes.

249 posted on 04/17/2004 6:58:57 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: capitan_refugio
Rafting. Get swept out to sea in a storm or tsunami holding on to something that floated real well, or even a caveman joy ride. Who knows?!

Perhaps. On the other hand, the early inhabitants of the islands might well have been the stone age Guanches people who migrated to the islands centuries before Christ. Indigenous people of the Canary Islands

These early people brought their animals with them but had lost the ability to sail, even from island to island. As a consequence, they were isolated from each other, much like the Galapagos turtles. Apparently, the dialects spoken by the people on the different islands had differentiated into distinct dialects. This may show the evolution of language brought about by isolation I suppose, much like the evolution of differences in turtles and finches.

I'm curious whether DNA analysis could be run on descendants of these stone age people to confirm their supposed Berber origin or an analysis made of their language to see how closely related it was to other languages.

Of course, there might have been Neanderthals on the islands before the Guanches. Have there been any Neanderthal remains found there?

250 posted on 04/17/2004 7:36:44 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
Thank you for the link. In the distant cobwebs of my mind I remembered the term "Guanche."

Berbers were the original "Barbarians." Must have crashed too many Roman parties!

The giant Galapagos tortoises are an interesting story. Tortoises are land-dwelling reptiles, and unlike their turtles cousins, they are not adept swimmers. In all likelihood, "giant" tortoises did not raft to the islands. Regular tortoises did. Then, in an island environment, under selective processes, the species evolved from their smaller forebearers.

Just the opposite thing happened on the California Channel Islands over the last 100,000 years. A breeding population of mammoths were able to get out to the islands. (During low sea level stands, the gap between the mainland and the islands was only a few miles wide - and elephants are good swimmers. What caused them to migrate out there is unclear ... predation, abundant food supply, etc.) The fossil evidence suggests that there were no elephant predators on the islands (at low sea level stands the four main islands were connected) and that a process of dwarfing began soon thereafter.

Once on the islands, the elephant population would have been severely strained during times of drought. What type of individual would have survived the stressful times? Ones that had large food and water needs, or the little guys who could get by on less until more abundant years? By the time the last of the mammoths eventually died out, the population was composed of "pygmy mammoths" (now there is an oxymoron) which were less than half the size of their ancestors.

I don't know if there were Neanderthal remains found on the Canary Islands. I was trying to recall something I had read about years before. Your link about the Guanches suggests cultural devolution - an interesting concept.

251 posted on 04/17/2004 10:12:47 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Lexinom
...which points to an archai, a beginning orchestrated by intelligent thought.

Huh?

It takes enormous faith to believe in evolution, with its incredibly long timeframes to say nothing of irreducible cellular complexity and even consciousness.

Of course it takes "enormous faith", if you don't bother to study or understand evidence.

There comes a point for every human being, no matter how learned, when he must simply say, I don't know.

I don't deny this. Ask me how the universe ultimately came into being, and I'll tell you "I don't know".

I must say, of all the groups I've debated on FR, the evolutionists are the most condescending and bitter, as love and kindness are antithetical to their worldview,

Now you're just being absurd. Love and kindness antithetical to my "worldview"? Please, o omniscient one, tell me more about my worldview. Tell me everything that I believe, since you seem to know absolutely everything aboiut my "worldview".

all the while arrogantly claiming to be the "enlightened ones".

I never claimed to be "enlightened". You're already wrong.

Biological evolution is not proven fact, it is a theory, and a most tenuous one at that.

I think that you misunderstand the meaning of "theory". No "theory" in science ever becomes "proven fact". A theory is a general framework of understanding to explain observed phenomenon. There is a "theory" that explains gravity that will never be "proven fact". A "theory" of electromagnetism will never be "proven fact". Scientific theories are NEVER proven.

. People believe it because they want to,

Some might. Many believe it because there is quite a bit of evidence for it. You seem to think that "theories" in science are just unsupported guesses. If you believe this, then you are wrong. Nothing in science becomes theory without years of study and collection of evidence as well as tests for falsification. Until then, it's just a hypothesis.

because they can't stand the idea of ultimate accountability to a Creator.

Evolution does not preclude the existence of a creator (or Creator). You once again demonstrate your utter ignorance regarding the theory of evolution.

Once again, evolution is not about "disproving the Christian God", any more than it is about "disproving the Greek gods" or "disproving the Hindu gods". It is merely the best explanation derived thus far from observed facts to explain a specific natural phenomenon. It was not created to destroy religion or to make people believe that they are no longer accountable to a Creator. I can understand that when a scientific theory seems to contradict a literal interpreation of your preferred holy text, you can feel threatened, but you need to get past your arrogance and understnad that it is not about you and it is not about your God. When a scientific theory contradicts a literal reading of Genesis, it is because that is what analysis of the evidence indicates, not because there is a grand conspiracy to turn everyone away from Christianity. Until you can understand and accept that, you will not be able to argue meaningfully on this topic.
252 posted on 04/17/2004 10:45:40 AM PDT by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: capitan_refugio
I hadn't heard about the pigmy mammoths of the Channel Islands. That reminds me about the dwarf mammoths on Russian islands. Here are several interesting articles:

Evolution of dwarfing in insular elephants

Mammoths survive on island until 2000 BC

Dwarf elephants on Cyprus

I hadn't realized how widespread this phenomenon was or heard of Foster's Island Rule before, but your explanation makes sense.

253 posted on 04/17/2004 11:47:50 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
I suspect there are lots of similar developments regarding isolated populations on islands. One example: Key Deer.
254 posted on 04/17/2004 12:20:51 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
To reach their large sizes, big plant-eating mainland dinosaurs must not have been constrained by limited food supplies. Perhaps size also worked in their favor against smaller carnivores -- sort of like today's elephants against lions and tigers.
255 posted on 04/17/2004 12:39:22 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
Last I heard, it is unclear whether the purported pygmy mammoths of Wrangell Island are the real thing or juveniles. However, the sparce remains found on the Balearic Islands east of Spain are probably legitimate. I had not read about the Cyprus site. I'm going to check out a couple of paleo journals next week.

On the Santa Barbara Channel Islands, a couple of nearly complete skeletons have been found in the dunes. Prof. Larry Agenbroad of Santa Barbara published several papers on these discoveries. The really good find was carbon dated to about 11,000 BC. In the mid-1990's the local geological society ran some field trips out to the sites. Got a few of us desk jockies to do a little field work.

Thanks for the links.

256 posted on 04/18/2004 1:00:30 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: rustbucket; blam
The Santa Rosa pygmy mammoth discovery was on the same island as the "Arlington Springs Woman" discovery. I recall blam posted something about that last year.
257 posted on 04/18/2004 1:22:47 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: All
So, um, some hydrogen atoms decided they wanted to become human beings one day, huh?

My view of FR has changed after reading this thread. I never knew that conservative America was made up of so many people who are so desperate to deny God that they stoop to elaborate, unprovable, inimitable and riciculous theories.

As complex as the ecology and biology of this planet is, there had to be intelligence involved in it's creation. When scientists in a lab can incite hydrogen atoms to become, oh, let's say a functioning human eyeball, or even grow one measly hair in a pertri dish, then I may lend some credibility to such atheistic drivel. Until then I'll just sit back and marvel at some people's inability to accept the idea of a power greater than the human mind can comprehend.

God created this world as it is in six days time, and God will decide when it ends. Judging by the posts on this thread, some of you had better fear that day.
258 posted on 04/18/2004 2:12:21 AM PDT by NorthWoody (Hey, politicians! Stand up, be men, do your jobs and close the borders while there's still time.)
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To: capitan_refugio
Here is a picture of some elephant bones from Sicily, another of the islands where these dwarf creatures are found. I don't think I've ever seen a baby or juvenile elephant with tusks.


259 posted on 04/18/2004 7:52:47 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: Smokin' Joe
Very interesting. Thank you.
260 posted on 04/18/2004 9:32:27 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Tax energy not labor.)
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